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Compromise proposal on treaty change

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19/04/2021 20:52   7 comments
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My proposal is too complex to fit in 1500 words (thank you site). You have to read the attachment in English (no automated translation).

In short:

*It's a compromise that tries to please everybody, you are asked, to make concessions to the other side.

*A neutral common army, like a giant Switzerland. Neutrality is the compromise.

*Fiscal union, with a UBI and mandatory liberal economic provisions. The package is meant to be a left/right/inter-nations compromise.

*it's all or nothing. It's to facilitate compromise.

*reform the commission. Basically, a complex coalition agreement. Spitzenkandidate not possible here.

*reform european elections. They stay national, but also take european results into account.

*reform treaty change. Main feature, is that national parliaments are still unanimous, but with simple majorities.

*President of the Union, has no powers and elected by secret vote by an interparliamentary assembly.

*An expulsion clause. Restrictions on national constitutions and national electoral systems. It's to deal with the likes of Poland and Hungary.

*Some other stuff.

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    Avatar: %{name} Erik Schrama
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    Ah, I see you've read Sun Tzu :-) Yes, more Europeans should read that book. It's very enlightening (and also not that long ...)

    First of all: I would like to applaud the fact that you've made the effort to just put down a couple of ideas on paper. It shows that we can fix the EU if we want to, and we don't need to do it in the usual European way, which requires a forest to be chopped down for the paper. I believe a European confederal treaty (or something like it) should be relatively simple, short and straightforward, so everyone can understand it.

    You've got a couple of good points (including "let's just call it a confederation"), even though including things like the UBI is a mistake (well, in my opinion). It's a nice idea, but it would create an over-large dependency of citizens on the EU government, where the govt can basically say: "Support us or we'll cut you off". Also, a European (con)federal treaty should also mention the language situation, as it's a sticking point.

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    I guarantee you, the treaty will always be long and complex. It's a messy compromise between parties with a high level of mutual mistrust. I'm just proposing the general idea, after years of negotiation by nitpickers, it will become a 500 pages monster....

    The UBI will be in the treaty. You can't cut it off, unless you amend the treaty. The goal of the UBI, is to reduce nationalistic fears about fiscal union. The EU is multinational, you have to go the extra mile to calm down nationalistic tensions. If you remove it, then there's no fiscal union, simple as that. The UBI is there to keep nations happy. Also, i add liberal economic clauses, so that the right will find the package acceptable. I add to that the neutral army.... And they have to take the whole package in, or leave. If you start cherry picking, the other side redraws it's support and you don't have enough votes.

    I'm not exhaustive, i'm only mentioning the contentious parts. The language situation remains as is.

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    Avatar: %{name} Raphaël Ollando
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    It is really nice that you took the time to write a long proposal and write it down !

    I wonder though why the ban on the nuclear ? I mean, we all have our opinion on that and all but, I don’t see why it is important to conclude a treaty ?

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    The EU is a multinational union. That's inherently more fragile. The compromises aren't temporary, they are basically permanent. An example of this attitude is the neutrality clause. Basically the military is too controversial, so neutrality makes it manageable.

    If there's a Chernobyl level accident. The political system of the EU will be unable to handle it. I don't mean incompetence, i mean the political disputes could degenerate in a civil war. Remember how they treated Greece when it was bankrupt? When we say, that the EU is there to avert war, it's not hyperbolic propaganda.

    So, in a similar reasoning to the neutrality clause, i'm proposing to simply ban nuclear because it's too controversial. The system, is inherently incapable of handling it.

    Just consider the examples i gave. A reactor in France blows up and all of Luxembourg must be evacuated, or parts of Germany. How do you solve the political mess? When you can't answer, usually it means it ends with a war.

    Avatar: %{name} Raphaël Ollando
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    I definitely understand your point. There is a lot to argue about but I’ll just stick to the nuclear power for now.

    In a world where we’d have better solutions to mitigate climate change, where we’d only be facing pure political issues, I’d probably agree but, right now it’s (imo) not wise to totally ban nuclear power. I know it’s scary but it is the best energy source (combined with other renewable energy sources) we have to sustain our need in electricity while keeping GHG emissions low for the moment. And contrary to the public opinion, it is way safer than expected (I’m bit lazy to quote sources so I’ll invite you to look at the super videos of Kurzgesagt about nuclear power (they have quite a lot of really interesting sources to back their arguments)).
    It’s true that an accident on the scale of Chernobyl could happen but instead of blindly ban nuclear power, we should properly assess the risks and prepare ourselves so if an accident ever happens, it won’t be a political mess.

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    The treaty needs to be ratified unanimously, with supermajorities inside countries. The euratom treaty has become a fossil, because every one is too scared to amend it.

    How you resolve my examples? What you do with the population of Luxembourg? Germany banned nuclear, how will it react, if it has to evacuate parts of its territory after and accident? Can they get territorial compensation? Even if France agree, what if Germany isn't happy with the quality? And what happens to the french of these territories?

    The fiscal union means, that the EU is guaranteeing states against a default. De facto, it would also be insuring nuclear power plants, if they are still allowed. If every thing go well, France gets cheap electricity, if not, the EU foots the bill.

    I can see room for compromise. A date is set for the phase out. It's easier to compromise this way. Also, you can have them pledge enough money for a proper phase out into renewables.

    Kurzgesagt is wrong. Renewables=exponential

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    Avatar: %{name} Raphaël Ollando
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    @ you know, it funny because Ech sinn opgewuess a gebuer zu Réiser eng Gemeng vu Lëtzebuerg and one of the closest from catnom (the French one next to the border). And yet something is ppl have to know is ghat this centrzl is furnishing 1/2 of the electricity of luxembourg as well as ~1/3 of the landern of
    Trier. Which make your agrument not really valuable

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