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If europe does not manage and control immigration we will face more and more problems and have a risk to make europe blow out
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However, it is historically profitable to host foreigners. All countries have always benefited from these phenomena.
L'histoire ne se répète pas toujours et il suffit de suivre les actualités pour se rendre compte de ce que vaut aujourd'hui votre '' rentabilité '' .
Et puis est ce que la '' rentabilité '' est le bon critère pour décider d'une politique de migration , moi je préférerais l'application du principe de précaution par rapport aux impacts majeurs à venir et mal maîtrisés sur notre société et je me soucierais de l'avis des français qui subissent une immigration qu'ils n'ont pas approuvée majoritairement .
It is true that the future is not defined in the past, but it would be wrong to believe that certain phenomena do not affect us. Let us look at the facts: today, the problems caused by migrants are a certain communtarism, caused by catastrophic state management, and... I see no others (I would like to ask you to enquire if you do not). Trying to push back migrants is at least as expensive as helping them to assimilate themselves, and this would introduce multiculturalism and new ideas that can never harm us (that was my comment on history). What rational arguments can then encourage us to do so?
The aim is for you to become the United States? A multicultural “society” that can elect people like Donald Trump. Immigration is a simple technique for dividing and improving the prevalence of immigration. So let’s close this box of Pandore, which benefits a decadent neo-liberalism!
The aim is not to become the United States. The US problem and split is due to the opposition between (other) Progressive Democrats and Republicans’ Ultra-Orthodox Conservatives, the latter being to some extent racist. However, multiculturalism is positive when it is accepted and is not refused by a share of the population. Honestly, what would prevent us from reaching out well with our immigrants? Moreover, their reception is in no way incompatible with a revision of our economic system.
Le multiculturalisme ne peut en aucun cas être positif. On ne peut pas permettre à deux populations vivant au même endroit de "jouer" à différents jeux sociaux. Il n'y a qu'à voir le résultat de nos banlieues. Malgré les dizaines de milliards investis par l'État, les mêmes problèmes ne font qu'empirer. Penser que l'on peut tous vivre différemment sur le même territoire est un rêve typique de l'Occident. Tous cela finira par d'immenses violences, sur tous les pays européens (multiculturels) et lees gens comme vous trouveront toujours un moyen pour accuser les soit-disants "racistes".
I do not fully grasp your thoughts. It is absurdity to believe that there is a cultural determinism that would encourage people to face up to each other. Determinism can be overcome: think of Corsica, Brittany, Savoie, Franco-German rapprochement and the very many centuries (Romain, Ottoman, Austrians, etc.). The natural trend of violence can very easily be halted. Finally, I think I can discuss as an individual and not as the representative of a group you are trying to take on me. My speech only commits me and I am able to distinguish racism myself.
Relying on automatic translation, so hopefully I understood correctly. Multiculturalism cannot work without reasonably unified values that are shared by communities. In United States this pack of values is the constitution, which guarantees certain rights and liberties against government or other parties trying to take them away. This is usually referred to as American dream, and it's the only glue holding the country together. Most European countries are nation states with distinct cultures that are worth preserving. Foreign cultures are welcome, but not in a way that our own culture and people are demanded to reject our own heritage and rights. If we don't respect our own culture, countries and people, nobody will.
That’s not true. the cost of immigration in France is between 6 and 80 billion a year, depending on what we put in the balance. There is also a mass problem: some immigrants are assimilated, but a mass shifts the culture and religion of a country, especially if, as in France, leftist assoc and academics repeat to everything goes that it is necessary to repent of being white/man/hetero/Catholic... in short French.
The problem is that hitherto it has proved historically “profitable” to host foreigners from similar cultures. Otherwise, this becomes statistically less likely, but obviously not impossible, because of the phenomenon of communitisation; this is greatly facilitated by modern communication tools.
I endorse this idea.
I am assuming that when you refer to immigrants you are not referring to EU nationals moving from let us say Romania to France. You are referring specifically to TCNs right? An other clarification please. Are you referring to undocumented immigrants when you state that they will make Europe blow out?
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