Stop daylight saving time change: Adopting astronomically correct time and optionally mandate moving opening hours to 1 hour earlier.
Set the time all over EU to the correct astronomical timezone
and permit cities/counties/regions/countries to decide (via referendum) on the option to force businesses to move opening hours 1 hour earlier once.
Astronomical timezone would suit the people in favor of winter time.
Shifting opening hours 1 hour earlier would add the benefits for those in favor of summer time.
Set the correct time, and people, communities will slowly sort out when they prefer to wake up.
If having multiple timezones in particular countries is too controversial then take the country border also into consideration when assigning to timezone, as it is currently the case.
We have an overwhelming majority that wants to stop the twice a year time change yet this is still ongoing because most of the countries can't decide to stay on winter or summer time.
In all the debate pro and against it always comes down to personal preferences on when to have more light.
Yet the number of hours there is light is a given for the specific location, cannot be changed by man.
Setting the time so the middle of the day is 12 PM should be uncontroversial.
Then allow cities, counties, regions or countries, at which level makes more sense to decide if the current opening hours of businesses is still preferable or should be brought forward.
Even now, even in the same timezone, in some cities the bakery opens at 8, in others at 7, yet in others at 9.
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{"body":{"en":"Set the time all over EU to the correct astronomical timezone \nand permit cities/counties/regions/countries to decide (via referendum) on the option to force businesses to move opening hours 1 hour earlier once.\n\nAstronomical timezone would suit the people in favor of winter time.\nShifting opening hours 1 hour earlier would add the benefits for those in favor of summer time.\n\nSet the correct time, and people, communities will slowly sort out when they prefer to wake up.\n\nIf having multiple timezones in particular countries is too controversial then take the country border also into consideration when assigning to timezone, as it is currently the case.\n\nWe have an overwhelming majority that wants to stop the twice a year time change yet this is still ongoing because most of the countries can't decide to stay on winter or summer time.\n\nIn all the debate pro and against it always comes down to personal preferences on when to have more light.\n\nYet the number of hours there is light is a given for the specific location, cannot be changed by man.\n\nSetting the time so the middle of the day is 12 PM should be uncontroversial.\n\nThen allow cities, counties, regions or countries, at which level makes more sense to decide if the current opening hours of businesses is still preferable or should be brought forward. \nEven now, even in the same timezone, in some cities the bakery opens at 8, in others at 7, yet in others at 9.\n\nPicture from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","machine_translations":{"bg":"Настроете времето в целия ЕС до правилната астрономическа времева зона и да позволят на градовете/областите/регионите/държавите да вземат решение (чрез референдум) относно възможността да накарат предприятията да преместят работното време 1 час по-рано веднъж. Астрономическият часов период би бил подходящ за хората в полза на зимния период. Промяната на работното време 1 час по-рано би добавила ползите за хората в полза на лятното часово време. Задаване на подходящо време и хората, общностите бавно ще се справят, когато предпочитат да се събуждат. Ако наличието на множество часови зони в определени държави е твърде спорно, тогава при определянето на часовата зона се взема предвид и границата на страната, какъвто е случаят понастоящем. Имаме огромно мнозинство, което иска да спре промяната на часовото време два пъти годишно, но това все още продължава, тъй като повечето държави не могат да решат да останат през зимата или лятното часово време. Във всички дебати „за„и „против“ винаги се свежда до личните предпочитания за това кога да има повече светлина. Въпреки това броят на часовете, през които има светлина, е даден за конкретното място и не може да бъде променян от човека. Определянето на времето така, че средата на деня да е 12 РМ, следва да бъде безспорно. След това да се даде възможност на градовете, окръзите, регионите или държавите, на кое равнище е по-разумно да решават дали настоящото работно време на предприятията все още е за предпочитане или следва да бъде изтеглено напред. Дори и сега, дори в същата часова зона, в някои градове хлебарницата се отваря на 8, а в други – на 7, а в други – на 9 години. Снимка: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","cs":"Nastavit čas po celé EU na správnou astronomickou časovou zónu a umožnit městům/zemím/regionům/zemím rozhodnout (prostřednictvím referenda) o možnosti nutit podniky, aby posunuly otevírací dobu o 1 hodinu dříve. Astronomický časzón by byl vhodný lidem ve prospěch zimního času. Posun otevírací hodiny o 1 hodinu dříve by přinesl výhody pro ty, kteří upřednostňují letní čas. Nastavte správný čas a lidé a komunity budou pomalu vyřazováni, až budou raději prohloubeny. Je-li existence více časových pásem v určitých zemích příliš kontroverzní, zohlední se hranice země také při přidělování času, jako je tomu v současnosti. Máme drtivou většinu, která chce ukončit střídání času dvakrát ročně, ale stále probíhá, protože většina zemí se nemůže rozhodnout zůstat v zimním ani letním čase. Ve všech diskusích pro i proti ní vždy záleží na osobních preferencích, pokud jde o to, kdy je třeba více osvětlit. Počet hodin světla je však stanoven pro konkrétní místo a člověk jej nemůže změnit. Nastavení doby tak, aby střed dne byl 12 PM, by mělo být nekontroverzní. Poté umožní městům, krajům, regionům nebo zemím, na jejichž úrovni má větší smysl rozhodnout, zda je stávající provozní doba podniků stále vhodnější, nebo zda by měla být posunuta dříve. I nyní, dokonce i ve stejném časovém pásmu, se pekárna v některých městech otevře v 8, v jiných 7, v jiných v 9. Fotografie z: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","da":"Fastsæt tiden i hele EU til den korrekte astronomiske tidszone og give byer/amter/regioner/lande mulighed for at træffe beslutning (via folkeafstemning) om muligheden for at tvinge virksomhederne til at flytte åbningstiderne 1 timer tidligere en gang. Astronomisk tidszone ville passe folk til vintertid. Hvis åbningstiderne flyttes 1 timer tidligere, vil det øge fordelene for dem, der går ind for sommertid. Fastsætte den korrekte tid, og borgerne vil langsomt skille sig ud, når de foretrækker at følge op. Hvis det er for kontroversielt at have flere tidszoner i bestemte lande, skal landegrænsen også tages i betragtning ved tildelingen til tidszoner, sådan som det er tilfældet i øjeblikket. Vi har et overvældende flertal, der ønsker at stoppe de to gange om året, men dette er stadig i gang, fordi de fleste lande ikke kan beslutte at blive om vinteren eller om sommeren. I hele debatten for og imod opstår der altid personlige præferencer, når man skal have mere lys. Men antallet af timer, hvor der er lys, er angivet for det specifikke sted og kan ikke ændres af manden. Fastsættelse af tiden, så midten af dagen er 12 PM, bør være ukontroversiel. Så lade byer, amter, regioner eller lande, på hvilket niveau det giver mere mening, beslutte, om virksomhedernes nuværende åbningstider stadig er at foretrække eller bør fremskyndes. Selv nu, selv i samme tidszone, åbner bageriet i nogle byer 8, i andre med 7, men i andre med 9. Billede fra: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","de":"Legen Sie die Zeit in der gesamten EU auf die richtige astronomische Zeitzone und ermöglichen es den Städten/Bezirken/Regionen/Ländern, (per Referendum) über die Option zu entscheiden, Unternehmen zu zwingen, die Öffnungszeiten 1 Stunden früher zu wechseln. Eine astronomische Zeitzone würde den Menschen im Winter helfen. Eine Verschiebung der Öffnungszeiten um 1 Stunde würde die Vorteile für diejenigen erhöhen, die die Sommerzeit befürworten. Legen Sie die richtige Zeit fest, und die Menschen werden sich langsam auseinandersetzen, wenn sie es vorziehen, aufzuspüren. Wenn mehrere Zeitzonen in bestimmten Ländern zu umstritten sind, sollte bei der Zuweisung zur Zeitzone auch die Landesgrenze berücksichtigt werden, wie dies derzeit der Fall ist. Wir haben eine überwältigende Mehrheit, die die zweimal jährlich stattfindende Zeitumstellung stoppen möchte, doch ist dies noch nicht abgeschlossen, da die meisten Länder nicht beschließen können, im Winter oder in der Sommerzeit zu bleiben. In der gesamten Debatte kommt es immer auf persönliche Präferenzen, wann mehr Licht zu bekommen ist. Die Anzahl der Stunden, in denen Licht vorhanden ist, wird jedoch für den konkreten Standort angegeben und kann vom Menschen nicht geändert werden. Die Zeit so festzulegen, dass die Mitte des Tages 12 Uhr beträgt, sollte unumstritten sein. Erlauben es den Städten, Bezirken, Regionen oder Ländern, auf welcher Ebene sinnvoller zu entscheiden ist, ob die derzeitigen Öffnungszeiten von Unternehmen noch vorzuziehen sind oder vorgezogen werden sollten. Selbst jetzt, selbst in der gleichen Zeitzone, wird die Bäckerei in einigen Städten um 8 Uhr, in anderen mit 7, in anderen um 9 Uhr eröffnet. Bild von: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","el":"Καθορισμός του χρόνου σε όλη την ΕΕ για τη σωστή αστρονομική ζώνη ώρας και παροχή της δυνατότητας στις πόλεις/κομητείες/περιφέρειες/χώρες να αποφασίσουν (μέσω δημοψηφίσματος) σχετικά με τη δυνατότητα εξαναγκασμού των επιχειρήσεων να μετακινηθούν το ωράριο λειτουργίας 1 ώρα νωρίτερα μία φορά. Η αστρονομική ωριαία ζώνη θα ταιριάζει στους ανθρώπους υπέρ της χειμερινής ώρας. Η αλλαγή των ωρών λειτουργίας 1 ώρα νωρίτερα θα προσέθετε τα οφέλη για όσους τάσσονται υπέρ της θερινής ώρας. Ορίστε τον σωστό χρόνο και οι πολίτες, όταν προτιμούν να αφυπνιστούν, οι κοινότητες θα διαχωρίσουν με αργούς ρυθμούς. Εάν η ύπαρξη πολλαπλών χρονικών ζωνών σε συγκεκριμένες χώρες είναι υπερβολικά αμφιλεγόμενη, τότε τα σύνορα της χώρας λαμβάνονται επίσης υπόψη κατά τον καθορισμό της ζώνης ώρας, όπως συμβαίνει επί του παρόντος. Έχουμε συντριπτική πλειοψηφία που θέλουμε να σταματήσουμε την αλλαγή της ώρας δύο φορές το χρόνο, αλλά αυτή συνεχίζεται ακόμη επειδή οι περισσότερες χώρες δεν μπορούν να αποφασίσουν να παραμείνουν τη χειμερινή ή τη θερινή ώρα. Σε όλες τις συζητήσεις υπέρ και κατά του γεγονότος αυτού τίθενται πάντα προσωπικές προτιμήσεις σχετικά με το πότε πρέπει να φωτίζονται περισσότερο. Ωστόσο, ο αριθμός των ωρών που υπάρχουν είναι ενδεικτικός για τη συγκεκριμένη τοποθεσία και δεν μπορεί να αλλάξει από τον άνθρωπο. Ο καθορισμός της ώρας κατά τρόπον ώστε το μέσο της ημέρας να είναι 12 PM θα πρέπει να είναι αδιαμφισβήτητος. Στη συνέχεια, να δοθεί η δυνατότητα σε πόλεις, κομητείες, περιφέρειες ή χώρες, σε ποιο επίπεδο έχει μεγαλύτερη σημασία να αποφασίζουν εάν το τρέχον ωράριο λειτουργίας των επιχειρήσεων εξακολουθεί να είναι προτιμότερο ή θα πρέπει να επισπευσθεί. Ακόμη και σήμερα, ακόμη και στην ίδια ζώνη ώρας, σε ορισμένες πόλεις το αρτοποιείο ανοίγει στα 8, σε άλλες στα 7, ενώ σε άλλες στα 9. Εικόνα από: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","es":"Fijar el tiempo en toda la UE en la franja horaria astronómica correcta y permitir que las ciudades/condados/regiones/países decidan (mediante referéndum) la opción de obligar a las empresas a cambiar el horario de apertura 1 hora antes una vez. El espacio de tiempo astronómico se adaptaría a las personas en favor de la hora de invierno. Cambiar el horario de apertura 1 hora antes añadiría los beneficios para los que se benefician de la hora de verano. Establecer el momento adecuado, y las personas, las comunidades se marcarán lentamente cuando prefieran ponerse en marcha. Si la existencia de múltiples zonas horarias en determinados países es demasiado controvertida, debe tenerse en cuenta también la frontera del país a la hora de asignar la zona horaria, como es el caso en la actualidad. Tenemos una abrumadora mayoría que quiere detener el cambio de hora dos veces al año, pero todavía está en curso, ya que la mayoría de los países no pueden decidir permanecer en la hora de invierno o de verano. En todo el debate, a favor y en contra, siempre hay preferencias personales sobre cuándo tener más luz. Sin embargo, el número de horas que hay luz se da para el lugar específico y no puede ser modificado por el hombre. Fijar el momento para que la mitad del día sea de 12 PM no debería ser objeto de controversia. A continuación, permitir que las ciudades, los condados, las regiones o los países, a cuyo nivel tenga más sentido decidir si los horarios de apertura actuales de las empresas siguen siendo preferibles o deben adelantarse. Incluso ahora, incluso en la misma franja horaria, en algunas ciudades la panadería se abre a las 8, en otras a las 7, y en otras a las 9. Imagen de: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","et":"Määrama kogu ELis õige astronoomilise ajavööndi ning lubama linnadel/riikidel/piirkondadel/riikidel otsustada (referendumi teel) võimaluse üle sundida ettevõtjaid ühe tunni võrra varem lahtiolekuaegu liikuma. Astronoomiline ajavöönd sobiks inimestele talveajal. Lahtiolekuaegade nihutamine 1 tunni võrra varem suurendaks suveaja eeliseid. Määrake õige aeg ning inimesed ja kogukonnad sorteerivad aeglaselt, kui nad eelistavad ärkvel olla. Kui mitme ajavööndi olemasolu teatavates riikides on liiga vastuoluline, tuleb ajavööndisse määramisel arvesse võtta ka riigipiiri, nagu see on praegu. Meil on valdav enamus, kes tahab kaks korda aastas toimuva kellakeeramise peatada, kuid see veel kestab, sest enamik riike ei saa otsustada jääda talve- või suveajale. Kogu diskussioonis suhtutakse pooldavalt ja vastu alati isiklikesse eelistustesse selle kohta, millal rohkem valgust saada. Kuid tundide arv, mil valgus on olemas, on antud konkreetse asukoha jaoks, mida inimene ei saa muuta. Aja määramine nii, et päeva keskpaik on 12 PM, ei tohiks olla vastuoluline. Seejärel võimaldada linnadel, maakondadel, piirkondadel või riikidel, millisel tasandil on mõistlikum otsustada, kas ettevõtete praegused lahtiolekuajad on endiselt eelistatavad või tuleks neid lühendada. Isegi praegu, isegi samal ajal, avaneb mõnes linnas pagaritöökoda 8-l, teistes 7-l, teistes aga 9-l. Foto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","fi":"Asetetaan koko eu:lle aikaa oikeaan astronomiseen aikavyöhykkeeseen ja annetaan kaupungeille/maakunnille, alueille ja maille mahdollisuus päättää (kansanäänestyksessä) mahdollisuudesta pakottaa yritykset muuttamaan aukioloaikoja tuntia aikaisemmin. Astronominen aikavyöhyke soveltuisi ihmisille talviaikaan. Aukioloaikojen siirtäminen tuntia aikaisemmin toisi hyötyjä niille, jotka haluavat kesäaikaa. Sopivan ajan asettaminen, ja ihmiset ja yhteisöt lajittelevat hitaasti, kun he haluavat herää. Jos tietyissä maissa on liian kiistanalaisia useita aikavyöhykkeitä, maan raja otetaan huomioon myös aikavyöhykkeelle osoitettaessa, kuten tällä hetkellä tehdään. Meillä on ylivoimainen enemmistö, joka haluaa pysäyttää kaksi kertaa vuodessa tapahtuvan kellonajan siirron, mutta tämä on edelleen käynnissä, koska useimmat maat eivät voi päättää jäädä talvi- tai kesäaikaan. Keskustelussa suhtaudutaan aina myönteisesti ja vastaan henkilökohtaisiin mieltymyksiin siitä, milloin valoa olisi lisättävä. Tuntimäärä on kuitenkin tietty sijainti, eikä ihminen voi muuttaa sitä. Kellonajan asettaminen siten, että päivän keskipiste on 12 PM, ei saisi olla kiistaton. Sen jälkeen annetaan kunnille, kreivikunnille, alueille tai maille, millä tasolla on järkevämpää päättää, ovatko yritysten nykyiset aukioloajat edelleen suositeltavia vai olisiko niitä aikaistettava. Jo nyt, jopa samaan aikaan, joissakin kaupungeissa leipomo avataan 8:lla, toisissa seitsemällä ja toisissa yhdeksällä. Kuva: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","fr":"Fixer le temps dans toute l’UE à la bonne zone de temps astronomique et permettre aux villes/comtés/régions/pays de décider (par référendum) de la possibilité de contraindre les entreprises à déplacer les heures d’ouverture 1 heures plus tôt une fois. Une fuseau horaire astronomique serait adaptée à la population en faveur de l’heure hivernale. Le déplacement des heures d’ouverture 1 heure plus tôt augmenterait les avantages pour les personnes en faveur de l’heure d’été. Fixer le moment opportun, et les personnes, les communautés s’apprêtent lentement lorsqu’elles préfèrent se réveiller. Si l’existence de plusieurs fuseaux horaires dans certains pays est trop controversée, prenez également en considération la frontière du pays lors de l’attribution de la zone horaire, comme c’est le cas actuellement. Nous avons une majorité écrasante qui souhaite mettre un terme au changement d’heure deux fois par an, mais ce changement est toujours en cours parce que la plupart des pays ne peuvent pas décider de rester à l’heure d’hiver ou d’été. Dans l’ensemble du débat, il est toujours question des préférences personnelles quant au moment où ils doivent être plus éclairés. Or, le nombre d’heures de lumière est donné pour le lieu en question et ne peut pas être modifié par l’homme. Fixer le milieu de la journée à 12 heures ne devrait pas faire l’objet de controverses. Permettre ensuite aux villes, aux comtés, aux régions ou aux pays, à quel niveau est plus pertinent de décider si les heures d’ouverture actuelles des entreprises sont toujours préférables ou doivent être avancées. Aujourd’hui encore, même dans le même fuseau horaire, dans certaines villes, la boulangerie s’ouvre à 8, dans d’autres à 7, et dans d’autres à 9. Photo de: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","ga":"An t-am ar fad a shocrú ar fud an AE chuig an amchrios ceart réalteolaíoch agus cead a thabhairt do chathracha/do chontaetha/réigiúin/tíortha cinneadh a dhéanamh (trí reifreann) maidir leis an rogha chun iallach a chur ar ghnólachtaí uaireanta oscailte a bhogadh 1 uair an chloig níos luaithe uair amháin níos luaithe. Bheadh amchrios réalteolaíoch oireann do na daoine i bhfabhar am gheimhridh. Chuirfeadh aistriú uaireanta oscailte 1 uair an chloig níos luaithe na sochair dóibh siúd i bhfabhar am an tsamhraidh. Socraigh an t-am ceart, agus daoine, Beidh pobail shórtáil amach go mall nuair is fearr leo a osclaíonn suas. Má bhíonn iliomad amchriosanna i dtíortha áirithe ró-chonspóideach, cuir an teorainn tíre san áireamh freisin agus amchrios á shannadh, mar a tharlaíonn faoi láthair. Tá tromlach mór againn atá ag iarraidh deireadh a chur leis an athrú ama dhá uair sa bhliain ach tá sé sin fós ar siúl mar nach féidir le formhór na dtíortha fanacht ar an ngeimhreadh ná ar am an tsamhraidh. I ngach an díospóireacht pro agus ina choinne a thagann sé i gcónaí síos chun roghanna pearsanta maidir le cathain a bheidh níos mó solais. Ach tá líon na n-uaireanta tá solas tugtha don suíomh ar leith, ní féidir a athrú ag fear. Leagan síos an t-am mar sin ba chóir go mbeadh lár an lae 12 PM a bheith uncontroversial. Cead a thabhairt ansin do chathracha, do chontaetha, do réigiúin nó do thíortha, ar an leibhéal sin, cinneadh a dhéanamh an fearr uaireanta oscailte na ngnólachtaí faoi láthair nó ar cheart iad a thabhairt ar aghaidh. Fiú amháin anois, fiú sa timezone céanna, i roinnt cathracha Osclaíonn an bácús ag 8, i gcásanna eile ag 7, ach i gcásanna eile ag 9. Pictiúr ó: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","hr":"Odrediti vrijeme u cijelom EU-u za ispravne astronomske vremenske zone i dopustiti gradovima/zemljama/regijama/zemljama da odluče (na temelju referenduma) o mogućnosti prisiljavanja poduzeća na premještanje radnog vremena 1 sat ranije. Astronomski vremenski prostor odgovarao bi ljudima u korist zimskog računanja vremena. Promjena radnog vremena 1 sat ranije dodala bi koristi onima koji podržavaju ljetno računanje vremena. Odredite točno vrijeme i ljude, zajednice će se polako razdvojiti kada žele budjeti. Ako je postojanje više vremenskih zona u određenim zemljama previše kontroverzno, treba uzeti u obzir granicu zemlje pri dodjeli vremenskog područja, kao što je trenutačno slučaj. Imamo veliku većinu koja želi zaustaviti promjenu vremena dvaput godišnje, ali to je još uvijek u tijeku jer većina zemalja ne može odlučiti ostati na zimskom ili ljetnom računanju vremena. U svim fazama rasprave za i protiv uvijek se uzimaju u obzir osobne preferencije o tome kada je potrebno bolje informirati. Međutim, broj sati u kojima postoji svjetlo određen je za određenu lokaciju i ne može ga mijenjati čovjek. Postavljanje vremena tako da je sredina dana 12 PM-a treba biti nesporno. Zatim dopustiti gradovima, županijama, regijama ili zemljama na kojima je smislenije odlučiti je li trenutačno radno vrijeme poduzeća i dalje poželjnije ili bi ga trebalo pomicati. Čak i sada, čak i u istom vremenskom području, pekarnica se u nekim gradovima otvara s 8, a u drugima 7, a u drugima u 9. Fotografija s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","hu":"Az egész EU-ban a helyes csillagászati időzónához kell igazítani, és lehetővé kell tenni a városok, országok/régiók/országok számára, hogy (szavazás útján) döntsenek arról a lehetőségről, hogy a vállalkozásokat arra kényszerítsék, hogy egy órával korábban helyezzék át a nyitvatartási időt. A csillagászati időzónák az embereknek kedveznének a téli időszámításnak. A nyitvatartási idő 1 órával korábban történő eltolódása további előnyökkel járna a nyári időszámítást előnyben részesítők számára. Állítsa be a megfelelő időt, és az emberek lassan szétválogatják a közösségeket, amikor a felkelést részesítik előnyben. Ha egyes országokban túlságosan ellentmondásos a több időzónával való rendelkezés, akkor az országhatárt is figyelembe kell venni az időzónához való hozzárendeléskor, ahogy az jelenleg is történik. Elsöprő többséggel meg akarjuk állítani az évi kétszeri óraátállítást, de ez még mindig folyamatban van, mivel a legtöbb ország nem dönthet úgy, hogy télen vagy nyáron marad. A vita során és ellenzően mindig a személyes preferenciákról van szó arról, hogy mikor kell nagyobb fényt deríteni. A fény óráinak száma azonban az adott helynek megfelelő, az ember nem változtathatja meg. Az időt úgy kell beállítani, hogy a nap közepe 12 PM legyen. Ezt követően a városok, megyék, régiók vagy országok számára lehetővé kell tenni annak eldöntését, hogy a vállalkozások jelenlegi nyitvatartási ideje továbbra is előnyös vagy előrehozandó-e. Még most is, még ugyanabban az időben is, néhány városban a pékség 8, másban 7, míg más városokban 9-ben nyílik meg. Kép: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","it":"Fissare il tempo astronomico corretto in tutta l'UE e consentire alle città/alle contee/alle regioni/ai paesi di decidere (mediante referendum) in merito all'opzione di obbligare le imprese a spostare gli orari di apertura 1 ora prima. Il timezone astronomico sarebbe adatto alle persone favorevoli all'ora solare. Il trasferimento degli orari di apertura 1 ore prima aggiungerebbe i benefici per coloro che sono favorevoli all'ora legale. Fissare il momento giusto, e le persone, le comunità cercheranno lentamente quando preferiscono risvegliare. Se il fatto di disporre di più fasce orarie in determinati paesi è troppo controverso, allora, come avviene attualmente, prendere in considerazione anche la frontiera nazionale al momento dell'assegnazione dell'orario. La stragrande maggioranza dei paesi vuole fermare il cambio orario di due volte l'anno, ma questo è ancora in corso perché la maggior parte dei paesi non può decidere di rimanere all'ora solare o legale. In tutto il dibattito a favore e contro si tiene sempre conto delle preferenze personali su quando avere maggiore luce. Tuttavia, il numero di ore in cui c'è luce è dato per il luogo specifico, non può essere modificato dall'uomo. Fissare l'ora in modo che la metà della giornata sia di 12 PM non dovrebbe essere controverso. In seguito, lasciare alle città, alle contee, alle regioni o ai paesi a quale livello sia più sensato decidere se gli attuali orari di apertura delle imprese siano ancora preferibili o debbano essere anticipati. Ancora oggi, anche nella stessa fascia oraria, in alcune città la panetteria si apre a 8, altre a 7, altre a 9, altre a. Foto da: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","lt":"Visoje ES nustatyti tinkamą astronominę laiko zoną ir leisti miestams, apskritims, regionams ir šalims (per referendumą) nuspręsti dėl galimybės priversti įmones perkelti darbo valandas 1 val. anksčiau. Astronominė laiko zona būtų tinkama žiemos laikų žmonėms. Darbo valandų perkėlimas 1 val. anksčiau padidintų naudą tiems, kurie pritaria vasaros laikui. Nustatykite tinkamą laiką, o žmonės, bendruomenės lėtai atsidurs, kai nori atsikvėpti. Jei tam tikrose šalyse yra pernelyg daug laiko zonų, tuomet, kaip šiuo metu, reikia atsižvelgti ir į šalies sieną priskiriant laiko juostai. Didžioji dauguma nori sustabdyti laiko keitimą du kartus per metus, tačiau tai vis dar vyksta, nes dauguma šalių negali nuspręsti pasilikti žiemos ar vasaros laiku. Visose diskusijose pro ir prieš visada atsižvelgiama į asmeninius pageidavimus dėl to, kada gauti daugiau informacijos. Tačiau tam tikroje vietoje yra šviesos valandų skaičius, kurio negali pakeisti žmogus. Laiko nustatymas, kad dienos vidurys būtų 12 KD, turėtų neprieštarauti. Tada leisti miestams, apskritims, regionams ar šalims, kurių lygmeniu prasminga nuspręsti, ar dabartinės įmonių darbo valandos vis dar yra tinkamesnės, ar turėtų būti paankstintos. Net dabar, net ir toje pačioje zonoje, kai kuriuose miestuose kepykla atidaroma 8, kituose – 7, kituose – 9. Nuotraukoje: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","lv":"Noteikt laiku visā ES pareizajai astronomiskajai laika zonai un ļaut pilsētām/apgabaliem/reģioniem/valstīm (ar referenduma starpniecību) pieņemt lēmumu par iespēju piespiest uzņēmumus vienu stundu agrāk pārcelt darba laiku vienu stundu agrāk. Astronomiskā laika zona būtu piemērota cilvēkiem ziemā. Ja darba laiks tiktu mainīts par vienu stundu agrāk, ieguvēji būtu tie, kas dod priekšroku vasaras laikam. Nosakiet pareizo laiku, un cilvēki, kopienas lēnām atdalīsies, kad viņi labprātāk pamodīsies. Ja dažās valstīs ir vairākas laika joslas, tad jāņem vērā arī valsts robeža, nosakot laika zonu, kā tas ir pašlaik. Mums ir pārliecinošs vairākums, kas vēlas apturēt divas reizes gadā pārmaiņas laikā, tomēr tas joprojām turpinās, jo lielākā daļa valstu nevar nolemt palikt ziemā vai vasarā. Visās debatēs “par” un “pret” vienmēr tiek ņemtas vērā personīgās vēlmes par to, kad saņemt lielāku skaidrību. Tomēr stundu skaits ir atkarīgs no konkrētās vietas, un cilvēks to nevar mainīt. Laika noteikšana, lai dienas vidū būtu 12 pulksten 12 pulksten 12 dienas, nedrīkst būt pretrunīga. Tad ļaut pilsētām, apgabaliem, reģioniem vai valstīm izlemt, vai pašreizējais uzņēmumu darba laiks vēl ir vēlamāks vai arī to vajadzētu pārcelt uz agrāku laiku. Pat tagad, pat tajā pašā laikā, dažās pilsētās maizes ceptuve atveras 8, citās – 7, bet citās – 9. Attēls: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","mt":"Stabbilixxi l-ħin madwar l-UE kollha għal żmien astronomiku korrett u tippermetti lill-bliet/kontej/reġjuni/pajjiżi jiddeċiedu (permezz ta’ referendum) dwar l-għażla li n-negozji jiġu mġiegħla jċaqilqu l-ħinijiet tal-ftuħ 1 siegħa qabel darba. Żona ta’ żmien astronomika tkun adattata għan-nies favur il-ħin tax-xitwa. Il-bidla fil-ħinijiet tal-ftuħ 1 siegħa qabel iżżid il-benefiċċji għal dawk favur il-ħin tas-sajf. Jistabbilixxu l-ħin it-tajjeb, u n-nies, il-komunitajiet ser isolvu bil-mod il-mod meta jippreferu jirpiljaw. Jekk ikun hemm diversi żoni tal-ħin f’pajjiżi partikolari, allura l-fruntiera tal-pajjiż titqies ukoll meta tassenja ż-żona tal-ħin, kif inhu l-każ bħalissa. Għandna maġġoranza kbira ħafna li trid twaqqaf il-bidla fil-ħin darbtejn fis-sena iżda din għadha għaddejja minħabba li l-biċċa l-kbira tal-pajjiżi ma jistgħux jiddeċiedu li jibqgħu fuq il-ħin tax-xitwa jew tas-sajf. Fid-dibattitu kollu favur u kontra dan dejjem iħares lejn il-preferenzi personali dwar meta għandu jkun hemm aktar dawl. Madankollu l-għadd ta’ sigħat li hemm id-dawl huwa partikolari għall-post speċifiku, ma jistax jinbidel mill-bniedem. L-issettjar tal-ħin sabiex in-nofs tal-ġurnata jkun 12 PM m’għandux ikun kontroversjali. Imbagħad il-bliet, il-kontej, ir-reġjuni jew il-pajjiżi, f’liema livell jagħmel aktar sens li jiddeċiedu jekk il-ħinijiet tal-ftuħ attwali tan-negozji għadhomx preferibbli jew għandhomx jitmexxew’ il quddiem. Anke issa, anke fl-istess żona ta’ ħin, f’xi bliet il-forn jiftaħ fil-8, f’oħrajn ta’ 7, iżda f’oħrajn ta’ 9. Ritratt minn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","nl":"Bepaal de tijd in de hele EU in de juiste astronomische tijdzone en laat steden/districten/regio’s/landen (via referendum) de mogelijkheid om bedrijven te dwingen om 1 uur eerder de openingstijden te verplaatsen. Astronomische tijdzone zou geschikt zijn voor de mensen in de winter. Het verschuiven van de openingsuren 1 uur eerder zou de voordelen voor mensen in het voordeel van de zomertijd ten goede komen. De juiste tijd bepalen, en de mensen zullen de gemeenschappen langzaam afscheiden wanneer zij de voorkeur geven aan een actievere rol. Als het hebben van meerdere tijdzones in bepaalde landen te controversieel is, moet de landsgrens ook in aanmerking worden genomen bij de toewijzing van tijdzones, zoals momenteel het geval is. We hebben een overweldigende meerderheid die de tweejaarlijkse verandering wil stopzetten, maar dit is nog steeds gaande omdat de meeste landen niet kunnen besluiten om in de winter of de zomer te blijven. In alle debatten gaat het altijd om persoonlijke voorkeuren wanneer ze meer licht krijgen. Maar het aantal uren dat er licht is, is een gegeven voor de specifieke locatie en kan niet door de mens worden gewijzigd. Het bepalen van de tijd, zodat het midden van de dag 12 PM is, moet onbetwistbaar zijn. Vervolgens laten steden, districten, regio’s of landen op welk niveau meer zin heeft om te beslissen of de huidige openingstijden van bedrijven nog steeds de voorkeur verdienen of moeten worden vervroegd. Zelfs nu, zelfs in dezelfde tijdzone, opent het bakkerij in sommige steden om 8 uur, in andere op 7 en in andere op 9. Foto van: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","pl":"Wyznaczenie czasu w całej UE na właściwą astronomiczną strefę czasową i umożliwienie miastom/krajom/regionom/krajom podjęcia decyzji (w drodze referendum) w sprawie możliwości zmuszenia przedsiębiorstw do jednokrotnego przeniesienia godzin otwarcia na godzinę wcześniej. Astronomiczny obszar czasowy byłby odpowiedni dla ludzi na rzecz czasu zimowego. Przesunięcie godzin otwarcia o godzinę wcześniej zwiększyłoby korzyści dla tych, którzy opowiadają się za czasem letnim. Wytyczać odpowiedni czas, a ludzie będą powoli rozdzielać się, gdy wolą się upatrywać. Jeżeli istnienie wielu stref czasowych w poszczególnych krajach jest zbyt kontrowersyjne, należy wziąć pod uwagę granicę kraju również przy wyznaczaniu strefy czasowej, tak jak ma to miejsce obecnie. Mamy przytłaczającą większość, która chce powstrzymać dwukrotną zmianę czasu w ciągu roku, ale nadal trwa, ponieważ większość krajów nie może podjąć decyzji o pozostaniu w okresie zimowym lub letnim. WE wszystkich debatach opowiadających się za i przeciwko niej zawsze przychodzi się do osobistych preferencji co do tego, kiedy ma być bardziej świetlna. Liczba godzin jest jednak podana dla konkretnego miejsca, nie może być zmieniana przez człowieka. Ustalenie czasu, tak aby połowa dnia wynosiła 12 minut, nie powinno budzić kontrowersji. Następnie umożliwić miastom, okręgom, regionom lub krajom podjęcie decyzji, czy obecne godziny otwarcia przedsiębiorstw są nadal korzystniejsze, czy też należy je przyspieszyć. Nawet teraz, nawet w tym samym czasie, w niektórych miastach piekarnia otwiera się w wieku 8 lat, w innych - 7, a w innych - 9. Zdjęcie z: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","pt":"Dar tempo a toda a UE para o fuso horário astronómico correto e permitir que os municípios/condados/regiões/países decidam (por referendo) a opção de obrigar as empresas a mudar o horário de funcionamento 1 hora antes uma vez. O fuso horário astronómico seria adequado às pessoas a favor da hora de inverno. A mudança do horário de funcionamento 1 horas antes acrescentaria os benefícios para aqueles a favor da hora de verão. Definir o tempo adequado, e as pessoas, as comunidades resolverão lentamente quando preferem despertar. Se a existência de vários fusos horários em determinados países for demasiado controversa, então a fronteira do país também é tida em consideração quando se atribui a zona horária, como é atualmente o caso. Temos uma maioria esmagadora que pretende pôr termo à mudança duas vezes por ano, mas esta ainda está em curso porque a maioria dos países não pode decidir permanecer na hora de inverno ou de verão. Em todo o debate, e a favor e contra ele, as preferências pessoais são sempre mais claras. No entanto, o número de horas de luminosidade é dado para o local específico e não pode ser alterado pelo homem. Fixar o tempo para que o meio do dia seja 12 PM não deve ser controverso. Em seguida, permitir que as cidades, os condados, as regiões ou os países, a que nível faz mais sentido, decidam se o atual horário de funcionamento das empresas continua a ser preferível ou deve ser antecipado. Mesmo neste momento, mesmo no mesmo fuso horário, em algumas cidades a padaria abre 8, noutros aos 7, mas noutras às 9. Fotografia de: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","ro":"Să fixați timpul peste tot în UE pentru a ajunge la o zonă astronomică corectă și să permită orașelor/județelor/regiunilor/țărilor să decidă (prin referendum) cu privire la opțiunea de a obliga întreprinderile să mute programul de lucru cu 1 oră mai devreme. Orarul astronomic s-ar potrivi oamenilor în favoarea orei de iarnă. Schimbarea programului de funcționare cu 1 oră mai devreme ar aduce beneficii celor care preferă orarul de vară. Stabiliți momentul potrivit, iar oamenii, comunitățile se vor organiza încet atunci când preferă să se trezească. Dacă existența mai multor zone de fus orar în anumite țări este prea controversată, atunci se ia în considerare și frontiera țării atunci când se atribuie fusul orar, așa cum se întâmplă în prezent. Avem o majoritate covârșitoare care dorește să oprească schimbarea orei de două ori pe an, dar acest lucru este încă în curs, deoarece majoritatea țărilor nu pot decide să rămână în timpul iernii sau al verii. În cadrul întregii dezbateri pro și contra, aceasta se referă întotdeauna la preferințele personale cu privire la momentul în care ar trebui să se facă mai multă lumină. Cu toate acestea, numărul de ore în care există lumină este dat pentru locația specifică și nu poate fi schimbat de către om. Stabilirea timpului astfel încât mijlocul zilei este 12 PM ar trebui să fie necontroversată. Să permită orașelor, județelor, regiunilor sau țărilor, la un nivel la care este mai logic să decidă dacă programul actual de lucru al întreprinderilor este în continuare preferabil sau ar trebui devansat. Chiar și în prezent, chiar și în aceeași zonă de timp, în unele orașe, brutăria se deschide la 8, în altele la 7, iar în altele la 9. Imagine din: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","sk":"Stanoviť čas v celej EÚ na správne astronomické časové pásmo a umožniť mestám/krajinám/regiónom/krajinám rozhodnúť sa (prostredníctvom referenda) o možnosti prinútiť podniky, aby presunuli otváracie hodiny o 1 hodinu skôr. Astronomický časový pás by bol vhodný pre ľudí v prospech zimného času. Posunutie otváracích hodín o 1 hodinu skôr by prinieslo výhody pre tých, ktorí sú za letný čas. Nastavte správny čas a ľudia sa budú pomaly vyčleňovať, keď chcú upokojiť. Ak je existencia viacerých časových pásiem v niektorých krajinách príliš kontroverzná, pri prideľovaní časového pásma sa zohľadní aj hranica krajiny, ako je to v súčasnosti. Máme prevažnú väčšinu, ktorá chce zastaviť dvakrát ročne zmenu času, ktorá však stále prebieha, pretože väčšina krajín sa nemôže rozhodnúť zostať na zimnom alebo letnom čase. Vo všetkých diskusiách v prospech a proti tomu vždy príde k osobným preferenciám o tom, kedy majú byť jasnejšie. Počet hodín je však daný pre konkrétne miesto, nemôže ho však zmeniť človek. Nastavenie času tak, aby stred dňa bol 12 PM, by malo byť nesporné. Potom umožní mestám, krajom, regiónom alebo krajinám, na ktorých úrovni má väčší zmysel, aby rozhodli, či sú súčasné otváracie hodiny podnikov stále vhodnejšie alebo by sa mali posunúť dopredu. Aj teraz, dokonca aj v rovnakom časovom pásme, sa pekáreň v niektorých mestách otvára o 8, v iných 7, zatiaľ čo v iných o 9. Obrázok z: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","sl":"Čas po vsej EU določite na pravi astronomski časovni pas in mestom/državam/regijam/državam omogočimo, da se odločijo (prek referenduma) o možnosti, da podjetja prisilijo, da 1 uro prej premaknejo odpiralni čas. Astronomski časovni pas bi ustrezal ljudem v zimskem času. Sprememba odpiralnega časa 1 uro prej bi prinesla koristi za tiste, ki so naklonjeni poletnemu času. Določite pravi čas, ljudje in skupnosti pa se bodo počasi razvrščali, ko se bodo raje zbudili. Če je več časovnih pasov v določenih državah preveč spornih, je treba pri določanju časovnega pasu upoštevati tudi državno mejo, kot trenutno velja. Imamo veliko večino, ki želi zaustaviti premikanje ure dvakrat letno, vendar to še vedno poteka, saj se večina držav ne more odločiti za zimski ali poletni čas. V vseh razpravah, ki zagovarjajo in zavračajo, vedno govorimo o osebnih preferencah glede tega, kdaj bi morali biti jasnejši. Vendar je število ur svetlobe določeno za določeno lokacijo in ga človek ne more spremeniti. Določitev časa, tako da je sredi dneva 12 PM, bi morala biti nesporna. Nato lahko mesta, okrožja, regije ali države, na katerih ravni je bolj smiselno, odločijo, ali je sedanji delovni čas podjetij še bolj zaželen ali bi ga bilo treba prestaviti naprej. Celo zdaj, tudi v istem časovnem pasu, pekarna v nekaterih mestih odpira 8, v drugih pa 7, v drugih, v drugih pa 9. Slika: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Europe","sv":"Fastställ hela tiden över hela EU till rätt astronomiska tidszon och ge städer/län/regioner/länder möjlighet att (via folkomröstning) besluta om möjligheten att tvinga företag att flytta öppettider 1 timme tidigare en gång. En astronomisk tidszon skulle passa människorna till förmån för vintertid. Att flytta öppettider 1 timme tidigare skulle öka fördelarna för dem som föredrar sommartid. Fastställa rätt tid, och människor och människor kommer att sakta sönder när de föredrar att skjuta upp sig. Om det är för kontroversiellt att ha flera tidszoner i vissa länder tar man också hänsyn till landsgränsen när man väljer tidszon, vilket för närvarande är fallet. Vi har en överväldigande majoritet som vill stoppa tidsomställningen två gånger per år, men detta pågår fortfarande eftersom de flesta länder inte kan besluta att stanna på vintern eller sommartid. I all debatt för och emot är det alltid fråga om personliga preferenser om när man ska få mer ljus. Men antalet timmar där ljus finns anges för den specifika platsen och kan inte ändras av människan. Att fastställa tiden så att mitten av dagen är 12 PM bör vara okontroversiellt. Ge städer, län, regioner eller länder möjlighet att avgöra på vilken nivå det är mer meningsfullt att besluta om företagens nuvarande öppettider fortfarande är att föredra eller om de bör tidigareläggas. Redan i dag, även inom samma tidszon, öppnas bageriet i vissa städer vid 8 års ålder, i andra på 7 och i andra med 9. 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I fully agree with your suggestion to dispose of Daylight Saving Time-induced clock changes, but I disagree on a few of the extra points you're making, also regarding how this matter should be approached politically.
1. Why should businesses on the whole be made to move opening hours if DST was disposed? For businesses really nothing changes: 8 am on the watch remains 8 am. Early risers who want to start working earlier should have the flexibility to do that - that is the only regulation I'd impose. That should be compromise enough - given that we are all living in the "dark" due to being indoors all the time, which means that our inner clocks cannot synchronise properly.
2. Aspects of this matter should not be decided upon by way of a referendum. We are talking about a matter that holds health implications for the entire population. Deciding here would require everyone who participates to be fully informed and understanding the implications. That is not going to happen.
Ik ben volledig akkoord met deze stelling. Openingsuren kunnen flexibeler worden, maar mogen niet opgelegd worden. Hier werken ook mensen, die voldoende rust wensen, zodat we hen ook niet lastig moeten vallen met vroeg op te staan.
Regarding your first point. The idea was that rather than have a country permanently set its time to summer time, they should choose winter time and mandate moving of opening hours. Same result of having more sunny hours after work, but at least correct from astronomical point of view.
And about point 2. The referendum should not be about stoping DST. I agree with you, that is a subject thats hard to have everyone be informed about understand consequences.
The referendum I talked about should only be about moving opening hours. It is less complex of a question and the mandate would not disallow changing opening hours back later on. Unfortunately start hour flexibility is not something that can happen in every industry/economic sector.
All in all, I don't even think opening hours move is needed, businesses and people will adjust in the medium term, but if this is the compromise that makes DST stop, so be it. I find it also better than having mid day at 1 PM.
I see that we are converging :)
I also wanted to say though that it would be wrong to ask countries which they prefer, summer or winter time, because that is a false choice. We have astronomical time to guide us here. -- For people who don't know, astronomical time mirrors the daily course of the sun. So on a clock running by it, it is 12 pm when the sun is at its peak, every day of the year. In Greenwich and in Prague, for instance, the current local time in winter is in line with astronomical time - but in these places this is not the case in summer (where the clock is made to run an hour ahead of the sun's orbit) and it is never the case in all the other places that are not located on the same degree of latitude. ---
So with astronomical time as the guide plus with national or regional borders defining the time zone of choice, all we have to do is moving from east to west ... (continued)
... in order to achive a consistent, EU-wide group of time zones.
Countries no less than 7 but up to 15 degrees to the east of Prague should change to CET +1 / GMT +2 (that is actually current summer time).
Countries no less than 7 but up to 15 degrees to the west of Prague should change to GMT.
Countries no less than 7 but up to 15 degrees to the west of London should change to GMT -1.
Totally agree. This change should be already done, if the European Council listened to the results of the inquiry made by the European Commission. "The EU was set to stop changing its clocks in 2021, but then came Brexit, the pandemic, and some messy international bureaucracy".
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-11/will-daylight-saving-time-ever-end
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Totally agreed, just make a decision. I don't care if it is summer or wintertime. I have always problems with the switch for a whole week. 8 AM is 8AM. Slightly difference for the natural time.
It is important though to not make an uninformed change. It can be done sensibly by moving from east to west, applying the time zone to each country, or small group of countries, that best aligns with the sun's orbit. The further east, the earlier the time zone. And we don't even have to create new time zones, all we have to do is to re-allocate locations to the best fitting zone. So what is GMT-1 today (applying to almost all the EU countries) should actually be spread over three time zones: GMT-1, GMT and GMT+1. GMT-1 would be Prague and Berlin; GMT would be Paris, Amsterdam; GMT+1 would be Lisbon, Madrid. That way, we ensure without being too disruptive that all of the places become closer aligned with astronomical time, where the sun is always at its highest point by 12 pm noon, roughly, every day of the year. This in turn helps the body to align with the natural rhythm.
correcting an error:
GMT-1 should actually read GMT+1
GMT+1 should actually read GMT-1
Most of Finland, Baltic countries, Romania, Bulgaria and half of Greece, but also smaller parts of other EU countries are GMT+2. See the map I posted initially. So EU is actually 4 timezones.
I see your argument, but what I wanted to say and maybe I was too hard is that this is just a discussion you don't have to give to all nations. Because then you have a situation that e.g. Belgium choose summer time, and the Netherlands choose winter time. Absurd because they are on the same time zone. That's why I'm saying make a decision and I agree, you can't do good for every time zone. And I don't say to convert Europe to one timezone + 1, would be great but unpractical and unhealthy. No, just make a decision which hour regime you want to lose, that's it. And Indeed, the sun is the best hour clock. Just be careful if you want the sun as middlepoint that some big countries don't create different timezones in their own countries. But in theory you're right.
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Here is some scientific evidence from chronobiological research that favours the abolition of Daylight Saving Time and the introduction of astronomically correct time: https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674065857
I'm sorry: I clicked on your link but the page of Harvard University press says it doesn't match any title and there are no results. Could you check it too please? Thank you.
I don't know what happened to that link. Sorry for not answering earlier. Instead of the broken link, here is an article by the same author, leading chronobiologist Till Roenneberg (and others) in favour of abolishing daylight saving time and establishing time zones that closely follow the sun cycles:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0748730419854197
Its conclusion reads: "If we want to improve human health, we should not fight against our body clock, and therefore, we should abandon DST and return to Standard Time (which is when the sun clock time most closely matches the social clock time) throughout the year. This solution would fix both the acute and the chronic problems of DST. "
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De Richtlijn 2000/84/EG dwingt geen tijdverandering af, maar bepaalt enkel de overeengekomen begin- en eindmomenten van de toegepaste DST. De verantwoordelijkheid en de keuze van het tijdsysteem ligt bij de lidstaten zelf.
Verscheidene lidstaten richtten zich naar de EU, vanuit de idee dat alleen een uniforme opt-out van DST werkbaar is. De EU zou dit daarom moeten coördineren. Plaats daarom deze uitdaging terug op de Europese agenda. Persoonlijke meningen zijn nog steeds erg verdeeld, terwijl wetenschap hierover een consensus bereikte. Werk van wetenschap is dus toereikend. Ook In dit geval is het verstandiger te handelen zoals bij andere gezondheidscrisissen: de wetenschap biedt tools aan om volop in te blijven zetten voor een rechtvaardig, comfortabel en gezond tijdsysteem: uiteraard zonnetijd in de eerste plaats, standaarduur als het niet anders kan.
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Wij pleiten voor een stabiel, natuurlijk uur.
I've come to the very same conclusion.
After all - we would never ask for a referendum on whether or not to adopt hygiene messures or protection from viruses.
De weg naar een stabiel natuurlijk uur staat nog niet op de politieke agenda van Europa. Dit werd foutief vertaald door het systeem. Verenigingen, die pleiten voor een permanente standaardtijd zouden graag dit onderwerp op de Europese agenda zien.
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Let’s stop switching between summer and winter time. I fully agree with this proposal.
One hour does not make much difference in the North anyway. It is dark in winter and light in summer, no matter what time it is. In Lapland, the (midnight) sun shines 24 hours a day in summer, and the dark twilight hours in winter are equally long.
Business-wise it would be useful to have a single time-zone for the whole EU. Anyway, most of us wake up when the alarm bell rings (at least for the night-shift).
It is a myth that business would be negatively affected by having more than one time zone. Ther are studies which analyzed that. They come to the conclusion, that the increase in costs due to having time differences less than 5 hours time zones is not significant. But what is significant is the productivity loss due to sleep problems as a result of misaligned clocks.
Could you please share theese studies? Because I was looking for something about that but I could not find any articles neither in favour nor against your argument.
Tut mir leid für die Verspätung, ich habe es erst jetzt gesehen. Es gibt zu dem Thema einen Eintrag im EU-Bürgerforum: Eliminating DST - The Easiest Way to Increase Productivity and Income, Save Energy, Reduce Health Expenditure, and Making Europe Greener. Im Anhang sind die verwendeten Quellen zu finden.
And, that most of us wake up when the alarm clock rings should not be our standard, quit the contrary. It is THE problem all along. Waking up with the alarm clock means you have not finished sleeping and your regeneration process was not completed. That is what causes reduced performance on a short term and severe health problem on a long term. We have to work towards structures, which allows people to sleep as much as possible in their natural (individual) biological night. Shift work is considered by the WHO as a carcinogen. It should only be done where it is absolutely necessary (like doctors or nurses) but not to merely increase productivity of a company. Also, there are models to organize shift work based in accordance with the workers chronotype, which leads to improvement of their sleep and health and benefits as a consequence business.
I meant, it reduces performance and INCREASES severe health problems
Dear Manuela, thank you for your concerns.
I know that sleep deprivation reduces your performance and increases health problems. It was, indeed, annoying to wake up 1 to 3 times every night when they were building neighboring skyscrapers 24 hours a day for 4 years. I still wake up almost every night.
However, time zones are a trivial problem for an individual. Now I go to sleep when I am tired and I wake up when I wake up. Simple. No sleep deprivation. And a nap a day keeps the doctor away.
But how about the great power game? When the mandarins in Brussels think of the state of the union, they must be thinking of the USA, China and Russia. How do they set the time zones in the empire?
Great to hear, that you now sleep better. Hope for you it remains.
Especially in the "great power game" it is important to have clocks close to natural time. Studies that analyzed the correlation between time misalignment and economy came to the conclusion: The higher the time misalignment the weaker the economy.
Thanks! As mentioned, sleepless nights are the least of my worries. In general, adults can decide when they go to bed and when they wake up. Barring disturbances, people should be able to sleep well.
The coordination of time zones in different countries or regions and aligning the dates for changing to summer and winter time (if necessary) may require an intervention at the EU level.
This should not be great problem, as China manages with 5 timezones, USA with 9 and Russia with 11. Geographically, the EU is smaller than those nations (if you do not count overseas territories).
Dear Juha,
thanks for your comments. May I just correct your statement that "adults can decide when they go to bed and when they wake up". That is not correct. It is not a question of will power. Reoccuring bodily processes in humans (just as in animals and plants) are guided by rhythms which are set by their genes. And the point of time by which you are able to fall asleep is one such element in the big system "human" that is determined by such a rhythm, namely the circadian clock, or body clock. The body clock, in turn, is affected by environmental factors, most of all exposure to light. So humans are unable to decide when they can fall asleep nor when they wake up; they may only decide when to go to bed and when to get up.
Dear Ben, thank you for your views.
This would be an interesting subject of an empirical study. How quickly do adults fall asleep after going to bed and switching off the lights. Just watching my children, it is about 15 minutes after the order to sleep. The second research question could be how long it takes to wake up after your alarm clock rings.
I agree that falling asleep and waking up do not require great will power. Especially if you go to bed when you are tired and wake up when you have taken enough rest. Good night!
Well explained, Ben.
@Juha: There is plenty of studies about when humans naturally fall asleep/can fall asleep under the light conditions of our modern life and also under natural light conditions. The science of chronobiology already knows a lot about the human circadian clock and its consequences for sleep. And they recommend uniformly abolishing daylight saving time. Also, peoples circadian clocks differ. There is a big genetic variance (like in all our body characteristics). That's why we have different chronotypes (owls and larks). For the majority of the people Daylight saving time moves work and school start times so early, that their circadian clock does not allow them to fall asleep in the evening on time for them to have the chance to wake up naturally without alarm clock. Most people already have a problem to be on time in winter time. And daylight saving time makes it worse.
And, the question: "When do people wake after the alarm clock rings" is wrong in itself. The question must be "How do we set clocks and schedules, so we do not need an alarm clock?". Sure, there will be jobs, where this is not possible. But the normal public life must run in humans biological daytime and not start in their biological night. Waking up in the morning with an alarm clock means being awake in your biological night. It means sleep deprivation and harms health. I know, for some reason, it is seen as normal to wake up on work/school days with an alarm, but it really shouldn't.
Thank you for explaining, but we are looking at this matter from different perspectives.
It is common knowledge that plants and animals have different biological cycles. Even planets rotate and move around in their orbits in such a regular pattern.
However, my point is: Is this a matter that the EU should address, or the individual / parents at home? It can be both.
I appreciate that the EU member states, for example, should not turn clocks at different times and dates. The EU may want to coordinate and set a common date and time for all to switch from summer time to winter time, and vice versa, rather than having 27 dates and 27 times for the change.
On the other hand, most people can go to sleep and wake up without any major effort (if nobody is intentionally disturbing them). I know there are exceptions. But if following the circadian cycles is the biggest problems in your life, which keep you awake at night, you must be lucky.
Lucky? Is having cancer lucky? Is dying of a heart attack or having exacerbated hypertension lucky? Is experiencing chronic depression lucky? Is kids unable to learn because they are tired a minor problem for you? If so, I could not disagree more!
These are just some of the many examples that I could post here.
Being sleep deprived is not by any means an exception as you put it. It is the rule. Leading a life against our circadian rhythm, the rhythm that regulates and is implied in almost all of your bodily functions, is the rule. And DST or misaligned time zones to the East is a major contributor to it.
If you do not experience this, I would say you are the exception and indeed you are the lucky one. However, just because your personal experience has not informed you of the pitfalls of ignoring the hordes of scientific data published on the matter of DST and its social impact, I would kindly ask not to diminish the very real and serious struggles that permeate our society.
Thank you again for explaining the health hazards of sleep deprivation. But that is not my point.
Nor is it my problem. But if sleep deprivation is your problem, who should solve it – you or EU?
I understand. Let me see if I can make it clearer: Since I am like most people dependent on social times like kindergarten, school and work (only the latter one can be chosen to a certain extend) I do not have the ability to reduce my sleep deprivation. At least not if I want to continue being integrated in society. Changes can be done by schools, kindergartens and employers. But for them it is very hard to change schedules since in our society everything is connected. So, if countries have the choice to get clocks aligned again with sun time (or at least close to) by implementing year round geographically correct time zones, it is the easiest way to reduce sleep deprivation - good for individuals, good for the economy of the countries. Though it is true, that is is the countries responsibility to decide about the time zone, the EU should advocate for healthy decisions as it does for other topics too.
Great!
We all agree on the problems: sleep deprivation, health issues and swiching clocks.
Not switching back and forth between summer and winter time solves one problem. But it raises further questions, as it is a decision for each member state, as you correctly pointed out.
First, different countries in the same time zone could choose to stick to summer or winter time - Greece in summer time, Bulgaria in winter time, Romania in summer time,
Lithuania in winter time, etc.
Second, who decides where the time zones go? Or how wide they are? Where do you measure the width (near the North pole time zones are narrow, whereas in the equator wide)? When Earth rotates, mid-day light of Sun continuously moves towards East. Therefore, it is only in the middle point/line of a time zone where time is astronomically exactly 12 o’clock.
The EU surely could coordinate these decisions. And individuals should look for kindergartens, schools and work places with flexible hours.
Hi Juha, your concerns around the questions of which time zone to allocate to a country and whether or not to use daylight saving time are exactly the reason for the debate. This is why it makes sense to pay heed to what science has long been established, e.g. that time is not something humans decide about. It is the sun that determines what time of day it really is. Hence clocks should be in line with it as best as possible. If we accept this premise, we can simply apply time zones to countries in a systematic manner and discontinue with daylight saving time everywhere. If a country determines that it prefers what is euphamistically called 'summer time', then chances are that this country is located further to the east - because there, the sun is up early. Likewise, if you think about countries in the west (Spain for instance), there a lot of social life happens late in the day. One reason being that clocks are in misalignment with sun time. So time zones must reflect geography.
Hello Ben, I see there are many views.
My point is that the sun does not really determine when I go to sleep or wake up. In the evening, it can be anything between 21:00 (pm) to 02:00 (am). As a result, I also tend to wake up at different times in the morning. What matters, is whether I am tired or not. But of course, different people have different schedules and reasons to set up their sleeping times.
As for the time-zones, it appears that the EU has either 3 or 4 of them. Based on the practices in other large countries, the EU could have either 1 or 2, or possibly even 5 or 6.
As for summer/winter time, I do not like changing the clock/time. In the North, I prefer sticking to winter time. It allows you to sleep for one hour longer than in summer time: if you wake up before 10:00 (am), it is still dark. In summer, time does not really matter. It is light: day and night.
Finally, I think it is up to each country to decide on their time-zones and switching dates/times.
Juha, it would surprise you to know that the sun does indeed determine when you go to sleep or rather, it helps determine when you get sleepy enough to be able to fall sleep, depending on whether it gets a chance to 'reset' your biological clock every day or not.
And you are lucky that you can get up whenever you are finished sleeping: most Europeans cannot, over 80% are woken up by alarm clock on workdays, meaning their restorative sleep is interrupted.
Also the world is already divided into 24 standard timezones according to the UTC classification and Europe covers 4 of these: Eastern European Time (UTC+2), Central European Time (UTC+1), Western European Time (UTC, equivalent to GMT), and Azores Time (UTC-1).
We would not need to invent or calculate anything, simply abolish the DST switch - which itself is nothing more than a switch to the right on the map (we all temporarily adopt a timezone to the east of us). See gezondtijd.eu/en for a simple map that shows this clearly.
Hi Ticia, thank you for your comment. I fully agree. And Juha: this is not about taking a "view" or an opinion; this is a matter of fact and it should be treated as such. Discussions about diverging opinions is what prevents humanity from acting, responsibly. If you think you can decide at what time of day you are getting sleepy or are awake, or alert, you are kidding yourself. These matters are determined by biology, which works in tandem with geophysics.
Hi Ticia, thank you for your comment. I fully agree. And Juha: this is not about taking a "view" or an opinion; this is a matter of fact and it should be treated as such. Discussions about diverging opinions is what prevents humanity from acting appropriate and responsibly. If you think you can decide at what time of day you are getting sleepy or are awake, or alert, you are mistaken. These matters are determined by biology, which works in tandem with geophysics.
R.I.P.
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Yep, I totally agree!
I dislike the referendum though, as some others have pointed out. You see where a referendum can take you (cough* cough* BrExit).
Finally, I am not sure if it would be to much of a hassle to have so many CETs. But honestly, no-one uses manual clocks anymore and your phone can automatically adapt.
I agree, technically it is no issue anymore.
Well, you are right: even if I don't agree with the main argument here (as you can read in my comment down below) I should have considered that new teconologies could alleviate the problems deriving from having many time zones. Nonetheless I still think that they do not solve the problem completely: is not enough the fact that my phone is aware of time zones because I should be aware too, and that, as a human, keeps being a difficulty. For example when I plan a journey, or a videocall between different time zones I can still make mistakes calculating the time even if my phone automatically adapts when I physically cross the border and that could lead to me losing a train or misunderstanding the time of the call.
Hi Romeo, I hope you appreciate that the issue you are describing (i.e. the difficulty of establishing what time of day it is in another country) should not prevent the abolishion of a societal health impediment. Your problem can be fixed by a service, which could be generally promoting the economy. Services around "time management" can arise around such issues. So it is a win-win. Businesses can grow. Money can be made.
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Romeo, this time management issue is currently not a problem across existing time zones within Europe, not even within large countries that span several time zones, such as the US or Russia - why would it be a problem if we simply abolish the DST switch?
And even if Western Europe finally returns to its natural Western European Timezone (UTC), it would not take long to get accustomed to the fact that there is an hour difference between Germany/Austria/Italy and Benelux/France/Spain. As there used to be before the Second World War.
We would internalize it quickly - just like how right now you simply 'know' that there is an hour difference between France and England - even though according to natural solar time, there actually isn't!
I repeat here a comment I wrote below:
Nonetheless I think it should be worth consider why some big countries like Cina and India decided to have a single time zone for their whole territory (in the case of China for the correct time there should be 5 time zones). Their strategy could be bad, but should be analized in its purposes and results.
This has been studied, they do it for the same misguided reason that we were once all put on German time during WW2. If you do not take the new science into account and look at it simplistically (we should all conform to the same hours so that when I call at 9 am somebody is in their office to pick up the phone) then yes - it would make sense for a country to have one social clock.
However these large countries fail to take into account that they are so wide that they span several time zones, which also means that the sun rises far earlier in the eastern part of the country that west: 9 am there may only be 5 am solar time here, not even daytime yet! We now know that this is detrimental to health, safety and productivity, and thus the economy.
In addition, it should be no problem coordinating work and other actions across time zones with modern technology and mobile communications. Therefore it no longer makes sense to maintain one giant time zone in wide/ broad countries.
I fully agree. All countries should get back to their geographically correct time zone. It is in public often discussed as a matter of preference. But public health cannot be decided by inquiries about peoples preferences. Several scientific and health organizations already published statements to speak up for at least permanent standard time and warn about the health implications of permanent or seasonal daylight saving time. One of them you find here in a statement to the EU commission: https://esrs.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/TotheEUCommissionon_DST.pdf
and here: https://srbr.org/advocacy/daylight-saving-time-presskit/
And there is plenty more to list. Education suffers from Daylight Saving Time as much as the Economy, mainly because of productivity loss due to chronic sleep deprivation/disturbances and the increase in health costs.
Hello, I represent the Belgian Association for stable, natural hours. You can find a lot of information on our website www.zomeruur.com. First of all, I read here in an argument: "most people can go to sleep and wake up without any major effort (if nobody is intentionally disturbing them") This sentence is very important. It is for this reason why a permanent DST is not a good proposal. Of course people can easily adapt if they don't have to take into account social times: start of work, children go to school, early and late shifts, ... That is precisely why DST bothers.People do not have the choice to respect their biorhythms , which in the long term leads to fatigue, sleep deprivation and the consequences thereof are now known.
Even during the covid pandemic, the citizen is not asked for a solution for our health. So in this matter of DST we must also appreciate the scientific knowledge.
See Doc. 8564, report of the Committee on the Environment,
The Council of Europe summarized an opinion, based on research, that calls for the abolition of DST, and advises to give each country its own time zone.
I also read here that each Member State can choose for itself which time zone it adopts. I previously explained above that each Member State must use equal start and end dates if it applies the DST. That means, the clocks are moved by 1 hour ahead or back. They cannot choose any time zone. Member States signed this agreement in the Washington Convention.
Founded in October 2020, the International Alliance for Natural Hours is composed of a number of associations from Western European countries and USA, who share the same vision of using a healthy time policy. Please find the member countries and associations on naturaltimealliance.org. We would like to meet the spokespersons on this forum. If you wish, mail us at info@zomeruur.com or mention on this forum how we can reach you. We are already looking forward to meet you and working together.
Belgian Association for Stable, Natural Hour, www.zomeruur.com
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It would be a pleasure to be in touch with Ben Norman, Peter Henning and others who speak on this matter.
The Belgian association for stable natural hours invites you to join the discussion on our own forum.
Please contact info@zomeruur.com
Hi Ann,
Thanks for reaching out. I have just emailed you.
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I'm sorry, but the place to discuss this and upvote it is here, the official site of the Conference of the Future of Europe! Not on some strange forum nobody has ever heard about.
I'm not looking to join any NGO, forum or whatever trying to profit of such a change/discussion/cause and I don't appreciate you hijacking this conversation with multiple posts trying to pull people to this forum of yours.
This is a simple thing and I strongly believe it can reach consensus without any organisation pushing it, lobbying group taking it up, distorting it, etc. The people's voice should be enough!
I don't think that is what Ann was trying to do. I think she wanted to reach out to you as someone who also advocates for geographically appropriate time zones and the end of the time change (the website is not pro-DST and the information there is aligned with the idea you entered).
As for the role of such initiatives, I have a very different opinion. For decades people's voices have not been heard on this topic and consequently many people have been suffering all this time. That is probably why organizations like zomeruur were founded - so your voice is protected and heard. You have to see that high level discussions on this topic are permeated with misinformation and completely ignoring actual scientific literature on the matter. These initiatives are here to offer actual reliable information on the topic, and seem to be at it for years. I think they deserve appreciation for that rather than just being scolded by the people who should be their most avid supporters.
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Mi spiace Péter Henning ma non sono d'accordo con lei e con l'ultima decisione del Parlamento Europeo sull'ora legale. Avere il cambio d'ora (o ora legale) ed averlo sincronizzata in tutti i paesi dell'Unione (anche con dei fusi orari che non rispecchiano perfettamente l'or legale) presenta due notevoli vantaggi:
1) Avere la stessa ora in gran parte dei pesi dell'Unione riducendo notevoli difficoltà amministrative: immaginiamo quanto diventerebbe più difficile far viaggiare merci e persone da un paese all'altro se l'ora (e quindi gli orari dei mezzi) cambiassero ad ogni frontiera. Lei sostiene che tutti dovrebbero adottare la "giusta" ora astronomica, ma questa è una scelta che trovo poco utile: lei stesso ha ammesso che le persone possono cambiare l'ora a cui regolare le proprie attività quindi che necessità hanno di avere un'ora corretta dal punto di vista astronomico? Volendo esagerare il discorso per spiegare meglio il mio punto divista potrei dirle che per avere (CONTINUA...)
Mi scuso, ma alla riga 3 dove ho scritto "or legale" intendevo ora solare, mi sono confuso.
Having different time zones does not incur on any extra administrative difficulties. The biggest barrier to trade is geographical. When it comes to time zones as barriers the effects, whether positive or negative, are very low (in the us, the effect would be around 0.0025% of all trade per hour which is ridiculously low). As for people changing their times, please be reminded that public servants, students and teachers, blue color workers, people in manufacturing and transportation do not have "flexible work schedules". In fact, most have hard-coded schedules and in the special case of public infrastructure (schools, etc.) the schedules are "hard coded". The use of having appropriate times (because Astronomy is a real thing) is because we humans, like nearly all organisms on this planet, have a circadian rhythm that entrains with light/dark cycles. And this entrainment, like all genetic encoded mechanisms, varies from individual to individual (1)
...un'ora astronomicamente corretta occorrerebbe correggere l'ora di pochi secondi ogni chilometro, il che condividerà con me che sia organizzativamente assurdo.
2) Imporre il cambio d'ora permette di avere più ore di luce d'estate, il che dà un risparmio energetico. So che secondo alcuni studi il risparmio sarebbe minimo, tuttavia va considerata la crescente dipendenza energetica europea sul fotovoltaico: noi umani consumiamo più energia elettrica quando siamo svegli, il fotovoltaico dà una buona disponibilità di energia ma solo di giorno ed è difficilmente immagazzinabile, far coincidere il momento di disponibilità energetica dato dai fotovoltaici (le ore di luce) con il momento in cui i cittadini hanno più necessità di energia ritengo che possa far risparmiare più energia in futuro.
Le dirò di più: si potrebbe considerare di istituire un unico fuso orario mondiale: come ha detto lei gli esseri umani decidono loro quando regolare le loro attività, dunque è pensabile che (CONTINUA...
...in tutto il mondo si abbia come riferimento la stessa ora (Greenwich ad esempio ma qualunque altro fusorario convenzionale andrebbe bene) e che in ogni parte del mondo si regolino le attivtà in base alle ore di luce: ad esempio nel momento in cui fossero le 8:00 AM a Londra sarebbero le 8:00 in tutto il mondo, solo che a Londra a quell'ora si sveglierebbero, a New York starebbero ancora dormendo ed in Cina starebbero pranzando ma sarebbero per tutti le 8:00. In fondo abbiamo davvero bisogno di un'ora corretta dal punto di vista astronomico visto che la regolazione della vita quotidiana in base al'ora è convenzionale? Un fuso orario mondiale risolverebbe quei problemi organizzativi di cui le ho parlato sopra: sa quanto è complesso il cambio d'ora nel mondo considerati i vari fusorari ed i vari cambi d'ora che avvengono solo in alcuni Paesi, in giorni diversi ed in modo diverso tra l'emisfero nord e l'emisfero sud? Aggiungo infine che la scelta del Parlaento Europeo (CONTINUA...)
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...di abolire il cambio d'ora ha messo d'accordo quasi tutti, ma alcuni volevano tenere solo l'ora legale ed altri solo quella solare quindi mantenere il cambio d'ora per tutti potrebbe essere il proverbiale compromesso che fa scontenti tutti: a volte è necessario fare scelte comuni anche se ci sono visioni diverse, siccome non si vuole favorire un solo punto di vista occore trovare una via di mezzo che non sarà perfetta per nessuno ma è il meglio che si possa fare.
Hi Romeo, thanks for sharing your opinion. I would like to respond to some of your arguments, which I hope DeepL has translated for me correctly. First you mention administrative issues around movement of people and goods across time zones. Re movement of goods - if a product is sent to another time zone, in what way does this cause a problem? Re movement of services - here I see opportunities arising from different time zones. If you need traders, for example, to work at certain times of day so to be active on markets that are located in different time zones, then you can increase the workforce so to be able to do that. You may open an office in that market or you operate from your time zone, establishing shift work. This increases employment. Movement of people - again, I see no administrative hurdles to have people change their clocks when they travel from country A to country B. In fact, they do so already today. Where exactly do you see administrative issues arising?
Hi Ben thank you for your reply. If you have doubts about the translation I tried to correct it down below if it might help you. The administative issues I was talking about was due to the complexity of informations to keep in mind while traveling or organizing conferences: imagine having a meeting with someone in a different time zone, it is very easy to misunderstand the time of the meeting while comunicating; or imagine planning a jouney across time zones and having to take a train, you may think you will be in the station in time for the train but you may miscalculate time and lose the train. What I'm concerned about is an eccessive fragmentation of time zones: i fear it may be a problem with many time zones as you suggest, and it might be even a bigger problem if each member state could choose whatever time it wants (including DLS).
In this video (min 3:56 and 5:05) explains how messy time fragmentation can be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aWtseb2-4
Yes I Iove that video! Already 10 years old but still very informative, highly recommend it to everybody reading this!
Did you watch the part where he explains how in the modern world meetings and travel do not suffer from time zone differences at all? :D
The scheduling messes he refers to at min 3:56 are due to ever changing DST switches, not stable time zones. Once you know there is always an 11hr (solar!) difference between you and your business partner, you can set up meeting easily.
The Navajo nation issue at min 5:05 is simply hilarious. And not something that would happen in Europe, if you look at the UTC time zone map you can see how well placed the countries are along the time zone lines - there would not even need to be different time zones within a country, only between neighbours as is already the case all over the world including within Europe right now (for example between CET and EET).
Does it relly says that in the modern world meetings and travel do not suffer from time zone differences at all? I wached it again but I didn't hear that, maybe I have missed it.
Anyway you are right: if we just followed Henning's suggestion we would not have a Navajo like issue, nor the one between Sidney, London and New York illustrated by the video (even if I still find that a time border in the middle of the EU would be pretty annoying).
We could by the way actually have this kind of problems if every memeber state could choose by itself if keeping winter time, summer time or even DLS (like for example Italy wanted to) after the abolition of the DLS in the Union made by the European Parliament. As I said in the comment wich you are responding that would be the worst option. For this reason I advocated for DLS maintaining to be a good compromise between the countries which wanted only summer time and the ones who wanted only winter time.
I agree that that would be the worst option for Europe as a whole - however for an individual country that chooses its own natural time it would better economically and in wellbeing.
Please look at the map of Europe on gezondtijd.eu/en - you will see in an instant that DST (in effect Eastern European Time) is NOT a good compromise for the Central and Western European countries.
Are you saying we should stick to the devil we know in order to avoid worse? Why not just aim for better?
All Europe needs to do is universally abolish the DST switch and remain on the current standard times all year round. There will be no additional negative effect on business or economy, except for a few aviation companies that will need to renegotiate summertime airport slots. And there will be many health, safety and productivity benefits which translate to positive economic effects.
That should count for more than engrained personal habits and yearnings for 'summer(vacation)time'...
No one country should decide for themselves if they want to abolish DST or not; that should be done EU-wide, and it should be ablished as it is a flawed concept as chronobiology proves. The second question remaining is whether or not the EU can muster the courage and acually act in unison by reallocating the countries to the time zones most appropriately suited to them from the point of view of chronobiology - that would be easy and not disruptive.
Another of your arguments was that people can decide by themselves at what time of day they engage in their activities. That is wrong in two ways. A) people cannot decide at what time to start with work or school. B) people cannot decide at what time of day their bodies start producing proteins (the elements with which everything in the body is done), start digestion, start alertness, start being sexually active, start feeling tired, start being in a good mood etc. Do you see what I mean? These things are not determined by will-power, but by the body. And you can take it from science that all bodily processes are orchestrated and fine-tuned by the body clock which works in tandem with daylight. So daylight is the factor that counts the most for our bodies.
Well, I know most people cannot decide the hour in which they to go to school or work, but I suggest that institutions intervene on that rather than changing the time itself (which might be confusing). Péter Henning also had a similiar argument if I am not wrong.
In second place I know that every human may need his/her own specific time to be efficient in work and activities, but as we live in a society we need to agree to work durig certain hours to work together, that mean we need a convention. You said that being awake and work during daylight is a more natural convention and would be more healthy, so I reply that being awake during daylight is the main purpose of daylight saving, which allow us to have more hours of daylight while we are awake.
In theory, yes, with DST we all have to get up an hour earlier and will objectively "have more hours of daylight while we are awake". In practice however this does not change our innate biological clock and circadian rhythms, which for a large part of the population will keep running on their own time - causing what is known as social jetlag, a chronic form of jetlag cause by a daily repeating of having to live an hour earlier that your body would prefer. They will not fall asleep on time, day after day after day, and therefore lose sleep, become chronically sleep deprived.
Another aspect is the fact that it turns out that we need a lot of natural sunlight in our mornings but also some dusk in our evenings in order to get a good nights sleep. Darkness at night is just as natural and healthy to humans as light in the morning, we even have special night-vision receptors in our eyes, only discovered a few years ago.
The devil is in the detail here. Daylight saving time does not promote alertness in people, it thwarts it. For example, the further west in Germany you go, the later on the clock the sun rises in summer time. If we had "summer time" all year long, which is what some misguided people suggest, that would mean having to start work before sunrise for many months of the year. That is not what supports societal collaboration - it makes "later" people suffer.
(My answer relates to the comment from Romeo.)