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There are 600 mill people in EU, creating the Environmental Impact due to resources they consume: Trees for construction and fuel, gas for cars, Electricity for computers etc.
The birthrate is decreasing due to cost of living increase so in the future our population will naturally decrease lowering the impact on the environment.
One major problem is Immigration from Africa and the Middle east, which has been skyrocketing in the last 10 years. We need to stop this immediately or EU population will increase too much and the Environment will not be savable any more. We also need to encourage Europeans to emigrate to Africa and Midle east to start businesses there to help those Countries to adopt the EU standard of living, naturally increase the cost of living, the education and lower their birth rates so that in time Africa Midle East and Asia do not pose such a pressure on EU. I believe an urgent Immigration policy change of immediately stooping the influx and increasing the out-flux will save our environment. our forests, our rivers, and our sees will be destroyed if we do not lower the EU population by 20% in the next 20 years! Ideally the population of EU should be between 200 and 300 mill people!
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{"body":{"en":"There are 600 mill people in EU, creating the Environmental Impact due to resources they consume: Trees for construction and fuel, gas for cars, Electricity for computers etc.\nThe birthrate is decreasing due to cost of living increase so in the future our population will naturally decrease lowering the impact on the environment.\nOne major problem is Immigration from Africa and the Middle east, which has been skyrocketing in the last 10 years. We need to stop this immediately or EU population will increase too much and the Environment will not be savable any more. We also need to encourage Europeans to emigrate to Africa and Midle east to start businesses there to help those Countries to adopt the EU standard of living, naturally increase the cost of living, the education and lower their birth rates so that in time Africa Midle East and Asia do not pose such a pressure on EU. I believe an urgent Immigration policy change of immediately stooping the influx and increasing the out-flux will save our environment. our forests, our rivers, and our sees will be destroyed if we do not lower the EU population by 20% in the next 20 years! Ideally the population of EU should be between 200 and 300 mill people!","machine_translations":{"bg":"В ЕС има 600 милиона души, които създават въздействието върху околната среда поради ресурсите, които консумират: Дървета за строителство и гориво, газ за автомобили, електричество за компютри и т.н. Рождеството на раждаемостта намалява поради нарастването на разходите за живот, така че в бъдеще нашето население естествено ще намалее, намалявайки въздействието върху околната среда. Един от основните проблеми е имиграцията от Африка и Близкия изток, която се покачва през последните 10 години. Трябва да спрем това незабавно или населението на ЕС ще се увеличи твърде много и околната среда вече няма да бъде кавалерантна. Необходимо е също така да насърчим европейците да емигрират в Африка и Близкия изток, за да започнат бизнес там, за да помогнат на тези страни да приемат стандарта на живот на ЕС, естествено да увеличат разходите за живот, образованието и да намалят раждаемостта си, така че с времето Африка Мидъл Изток и Азия да не оказват такъв натиск върху ЕС. Считам, че спешната промяна в имиграционната политика на незабавното запълване на притока и увеличаването на изходящия поток ще спаси околната ни среда. Нашите гори, реки и виждания ще бъдат унищожени, ако не намалим населението на ЕС с 20 % през следващите 20 години! В идеалния случай населението на ЕС трябва да бъде между 200 и 300 милиона души!","cs":"V EU existuje 600 milionů lidí, což vytváří dopad na životní prostředí kvůli zdrojům, které spotřebovávají: Stromy pro stavebnictví a palivo, plyn pro automobily, elektřina pro počítače atd. porodnost klesá v důsledku nárůstu životních nákladů, takže v budoucnu naše populace přirozeně sníží dopad na životní prostředí. Jedním z hlavních problémů je imigrace z Afriky a Středního východu, která v posledních 10 letech prudce stoupá. Musíme to okamžitě zastavit, jinak se počet obyvatel EU příliš zvýší a životní prostředí už nebude možné. Musíme také povzbudit Evropany, aby emigrovali do Afriky a Midle East, aby tam začali podnikat a pomohli těmto zemím přijmout životní úroveň EU, přirozeně zvýšit životní náklady, vzdělání a snížit porodnost tak, aby Afrika Midle East a Asie nevytvářely takový tlak na EU. Věřím, že naléhavá změna imigrační politiky, která povede k okamžitému snížení přílivu a zvýšení přílivu, zachrání naše životní prostředí. Naše lesy, naše řeky a naše názory budou zničeny, pokud v příštích 20 letech nesnížíme populaci EU o 20 %! V ideálním případě by se počet obyvatel EU měl pohybovat mezi 200 a 300 miliony obyvatel!","da":"Der er 600 millioner mennesker i EU, hvilket skaber den miljømæssige indvirkning på grund af de ressourcer, de forbruger: Træer til byggeri og brændstof, gas til biler, el til computere osv. Fødselsraten er faldende på grund af stigende leveomkostninger, så i fremtiden vil vores befolkning naturligvis mindske indvirkningen på miljøet. Et stort problem er indvandring fra Afrika og Mellemøsten, som har været skyrocketing i de sidste 10 år. Vi er nødt til at stoppe dette med det samme, eller EU's befolkning vil stige for meget, og miljøet vil ikke længere være opsigtsvækkende. Vi er også nødt til at tilskynde europæerne til at emigrere til Afrika og Midle øst for at starte virksomheder der for at hjælpe disse lande med at indføre EU's levestandard, naturligvis øge leveomkostningerne, uddannelsen og sænke deres fødselstal, så Afrika Midle Øst og Asien ikke med tiden lægger et sådant pres på EU. Jeg mener, at en øjeblikkelig ændring af indvandringspolitikken, der går ud på straks at vælte tilstrømningen og øge udstrømningen, vil redde vores miljø. vores skove, vores floder og vores ser vil blive ødelagt, hvis vi ikke sænker EU's befolkning med 20 % i løbet af de næste 20 år! Ideelt set bør EU's befolkning være mellem 200 og 300 millioner mennesker!","de":"In der EU gibt es 600 Mio. Menschen, wodurch die Umweltauswirkungen aufgrund von Ressourcen verursacht werden, die sie verbrauchen: Bäume für Bau und Kraftstoff, Gas für Autos, Strom für Computer usw. Die Geburtenrate sinkt aufgrund der steigenden Lebenshaltungskosten, so dass unsere Bevölkerung in Zukunft die Auswirkungen auf die Umwelt natürlich verringern wird. Ein großes Problem ist die Einwanderung aus Afrika und dem Nahen Osten, die in den letzten 10 Jahren überwunden wurde. Wir müssen dies sofort stoppen, oder die EU-Bevölkerung wird zu stark ansteigen und die Umwelt wird nicht mehr sparsam sein. Wir müssen auch die Europäer ermutigen, nach Afrika und Midle Ost auszuwandern, um dort Unternehmen zu gründen, um diesen Ländern dabei zu helfen, den Lebensstandard der EU zu übernehmen, die Lebenshaltungskosten zu erhöhen, die Bildungskosten zu erhöhen und ihre Geburtenraten zu senken, damit Afrika Midle East und Asien in der Zeit keinen solchen Druck auf die EU ausüben. Ich glaube, dass ein dringender Umbruch der Einwanderungspolitik, der sofortige Entschleunigung des Zustroms und die Erhöhung des Ausflusses, unsere Umwelt retten wird. Unsere Wälder, unsere Flüsse und unsere Seher werden zerstört werden, wenn wir die EU-Bevölkerung in den nächsten 20 Jahren nicht um 20 % senken! Im Idealfall sollte die EU-Bevölkerung zwischen 200 und 300 Mio. Menschen liegen!","el":"Υπάρχουν 600 μύλοι στην ΕΕ, οι οποίοι δημιουργούν τις περιβαλλοντικές επιπτώσεις λόγω των πόρων που καταναλώνουν: Δέντρα για κατασκευές και καύσιμα, φυσικό αέριο για αυτοκίνητα, ηλεκτρική ενέργεια για υπολογιστές κ.λπ. Το ποσοστό γεννήσεων μειώνεται λόγω της αύξησης του κόστους ζωής, έτσι ώστε στο μέλλον ο πληθυσμός μας θα μειωθεί φυσικά μειώνοντας τις επιπτώσεις στο περιβάλλον. Ένα μείζον πρόβλημα είναι η μετανάστευση από την Αφρική και τη Μέση Ανατολή, η οποία εκτοξεύεται στα ύψη τα τελευταία 10 χρόνια. Πρέπει να το σταματήσουμε αμέσως, αλλιώς ο πληθυσμός της ΕΕ θα αυξηθεί υπερβολικά και το περιβάλλον δεν θα είναι πλέον βιώσιμο. Πρέπει επίσης να ενθαρρύνουμε τους Ευρωπαίους να μεταναστεύσουν στην Αφρική και το Midle East για να ιδρύσουν εκεί επιχειρήσεις για να βοηθήσουν τις χώρες αυτές να υιοθετήσουν το βιοτικό επίπεδο της ΕΕ, να αυξήσουν φυσικά το κόστος ζωής, την εκπαίδευση και να μειώσουν τα ποσοστά γεννήσεών τους, έτσι ώστε με τον καιρό η Αφρική Midle East και η Ασία να μην ασκήσουν τέτοια πίεση στην ΕΕ. Πιστεύω ότι μια επείγουσα αλλαγή της μεταναστευτικής πολιτικής που θα οδηγήσει στην άμεση πτώση της εισροής και την αύξηση της ροής θα σώσει το περιβάλλον μας. Τα δάση μας, τα ποτάμια μας και τα μάτια μας θα καταστραφούν αν δεν μειώσουμε τον πληθυσμό της ΕΕ κατά 20 % τα επόμενα 20 χρόνια! Στην ιδανική περίπτωση, ο πληθυσμός της ΕΕ θα πρέπει να είναι μεταξύ 200 και 300 μύλοι!","es":"Hay 600 molinos de personas en la UE, lo que genera el impacto ambiental debido a los recursos que consumen: Árboles para construcción y combustible, gas para automóviles, electricidad para computadoras, etc. La tasa de natalidad está disminuyendo debido al aumento del costo de vida, por lo que en el futuro nuestra población disminuirá naturalmente reduciendo el impacto en el medio ambiente. Un problema importante es la inmigración de África y Oriente Medio, que se ha disparado en los últimos 10 años. Tenemos que detener esto inmediatamente o la población de la UE aumentará demasiado y el medio ambiente ya no será viable. También tenemos que animar a los europeos a emigrar a África y a Midle East para crear empresas allí para ayudar a esos países a adoptar el nivel de vida de la UE, aumentar naturalmente el coste de la vida, la educación y reducir sus tasas de natalidad, de modo que, con el tiempo, África Medio Oriente y Asia no ejerzan una presión semejante sobre la UE. Creo que un cambio urgente en la política de inmigración de reducir inmediatamente la afluencia y aumentar el flujo de salida salvará nuestro medio ambiente. ¡Nuestros bosques, nuestros ríos y nuestras vistas serán destruidos si no bajamos la población de la UE en un 20 % en los próximos 20 años! Idealmente, la población de la UE debería tener entre 200 y 300 millones de personas.","et":"ELis on 600 veskit, mis tekitab tarbitavate ressursside tõttu keskkonnamõju: Puud ehituseks ja kütuseks, gaas autodele, elekter arvutitele jne. Sünnimäär väheneb elukalliduse tõusu tõttu, nii et tulevikus vähendab meie elanikkond loomulikult keskkonnamõju. Üks suur probleem on sisseränne Aafrikast ja Lähis-Idast, mis on viimase kümne aasta jooksul järsult tõusnud. Me peame selle kohe lõpetama või ELi elanikkond kasvab liiga palju ja keskkond ei ole enam elujõuline. Samuti peame julgustama eurooplasi emigreeruma Aafrikasse ja Kesk-Idasse, et alustada seal ettevõtteid, et aidata neil riikidel võtta vastu ELi elatustase, loomulikult tõsta elukallidust ja haridust ning langetada sündimust, nii et Aafrika Kesk-Ida ja Aasia ei tekitaks ELile sellist survet. Usun, et kiire sisserändepoliitika muutmine, mis seisneb sissevoolu koheses peatamises ja väljavoolu suurendamises, päästab meie keskkonna. Meie metsad, jõed ja meie nägemused hävitatakse, kui me ei vähenda järgmise 20 aasta jooksul ELi elanikkonda 20 % võrra! Ideaaljuhul peaks ELi rahvaarv olema 200–300 veskit!","fi":"Eu:ssa on 600 myllyä, mikä aiheuttaa heidän kuluttamiensa resurssien vuoksi ympäristövaikutuksia: Rakennus- ja polttoainepuut, autojen kaasu, tietokoneiden sähkö jne. Syntymänopeus laskee elinkustannusten nousun vuoksi, joten tulevaisuudessa väestömme luonnollisesti vähentää ympäristövaikutuksia. Yksi suuri ongelma on Afrikasta ja Lähi-idästä tuleva maahanmuutto, joka on ollut nousussa viimeisten kymmenen vuoden aikana. Tämä on lopetettava välittömästi, tai EU:n väkiluku kasvaa liikaa, eikä ympäristö ole enää selvillä. Meidän on myös kannustettava eurooppalaisia muuttamaan Afrikkaan ja Midleen itään, jotta he aloittaisivat siellä yrityksiä auttaaksemme näitä maita omaksumaan EU:n elintason, luonnollisesti nostamaan elinkustannuksia, koulutusta ja laskemaan syntyvyyttään, jotta Keski-itä ja Aasia eivät ajallaan aiheuta eu:lle tällaista painetta. Uskon, että kiireellinen maahanmuuttopolitiikan muutos, joka koskee maahantulon välitöntä kumartumista ja ulosvirtauksen lisäämistä, pelastaa ympäristömme. Metsämme, joemme ja näömme tuhoutuvat, ellemme laske EU:n väestöä 20 prosentilla seuraavien 20 vuoden aikana! Ihannetapauksessa EU:n väestön pitäisi olla 200–300 miljoonaa ihmistä!","fr":"Il y a 600 usines dans l’UE, ce qui crée l’impact environnemental dû aux ressources qu’ils consomment: Les arbres pour la construction et le carburant, le gaz pour les voitures, l’électricité pour les ordinateurs, etc. Le taux de natalité diminue en raison de l’augmentation du coût de la vie, de sorte qu’à l’avenir, notre population diminuera naturellement l’impact sur l’environnement. Un problème majeur est l’immigration en provenance d’Afrique et du Moyen-Orient, qui a explosé au cours des 10 dernières années. Nous devons arrêter immédiatement cette situation, sinon la population de l’UE augmentera trop et l’environnement ne sera plus savable. Nous devons également encourager les Européens à émigrer vers l’Afrique et le Moyen-Orient pour y créer des entreprises afin d’aider ces pays à adopter le niveau de vie de l’UE, à augmenter naturellement le coût de la vie, l’éducation et à abaisser leurs taux de natalité afin que, dans le temps, l’Afrique du Moyen-Orient et de l’Asie n’exerce pas une telle pression sur l’UE. Je crois qu’un changement urgent de la politique d’immigration, qui consiste à réduire immédiatement l’afflux et à augmenter les flux migratoires, sauvera notre environnement. Nos forêts, nos rivières et nos puits seront détruits si nous ne réduisons pas la population de l’UE de 20 % au cours des 20 prochaines années! Idéalement, la population de l’UE devrait être comprise entre 200 et 300 moulins!","ga":"Tá 600 milliún duine san Aontas Eorpach, rud a chruthaíonn an tionchar ar an gcomhshaol de bharr na n-acmhainní a ídíonn siad: Crainn tógála agus breosla, gás do charranna, leictreachas do ríomhairí etc. Tá an ráta breithe ag laghdú mar gheall ar mhéadú ar an gcostas maireachtála mar sin sa todhchaí laghdóidh ár ndaonra an tionchar ar an gcomhshaol. Tá fadhb mhór amháin Inimirce ón Afraic agus an Meán-Oirthear, a bhí skyrocketing le 10 bliain anuas. Ní mór dúinn deireadh a chur leis sin láithreach nó le daonra an Aontais Eorpaigh, agus ní bheifear in ann an Comhshaol a shábháil a thuilleadh. Ina theannta sin, ní mór dúinn muintir na hEorpa a spreagadh le dul ar imirce go dtí an Afraic agus Lár an Oirthir chun gnólachtaí a thosú ann chun cabhrú leis na tíortha sin caighdeán maireachtála an Aontais a ghlacadh, go nádúrtha chun an costas maireachtála a mhéadú, chun an t-oideachas a ardú agus chun a rátaí breithe a ísliú ionas nach gcuirfidh Lár Oirthear ná an Áise brú den sórt sin ar an Aontas Eorpach. Creidim go sábhálfar ár gcomhshaol lenár bhforaoisí, ár n-aibhneacha, agus ár ndearcadh mura n-ísleoimid daonra an AE faoi 20 % sna 20 bliana amach romhainn mar gheall ar athrú práinneach ar bheartas inimirce an tslua agus méadú an tslua. Go hidéalach, ba cheart go mbeadh daonra an AE idir 200 agus 300 milliún duine!","hr":"U EU-u postoji 600 milijuna ljudi, što stvara utjecaj na okoliš zbog resursa koje troše: Drveće za gradnju i gorivo, plin za automobile, električna energija za računala itd. Natalitet se smanjuje zbog povećanja troškova života pa će u budućnosti naše stanovništvo prirodno smanjiti utjecaj na okoliš. Jedan od glavnih problema je imigracija iz Afrike i Bliskog istoka, koja je u posljednjih 10 godina naglo porasla. Moramo to odmah zaustaviti ili će se stanovništvo EU-a previše povećati, a okoliš više neće biti dostojan. Također moramo potaknuti Europljane da emigriraju u Afriku i Srednji istok kako bi ondje osnovali poduzeća kako bi se tim zemljama pomoglo da usvoje životni standard EU-a, prirodno povećale troškove života, obrazovanja i snizile stope nataliteta kako Afrika Midle East i Azija s vremenom ne bi predstavljale takav pritisak na EU. Vjerujem da će hitna promjena politike useljavanja, odnosno neposrednog zaustavljanja priljeva i povećanja priljeva, spasiti naš okoliš. Naše šume, naše rijeke i naše viđenje bit će uništene ako u sljedećih 20 godina ne smanjimo broj stanovnika EU-a za 20 %. U idealnom slučaju stanovništvo EU-a trebalo bi biti između 200 i 300 milijuna ljudi!","hu":"600 millió ember él az EU-ban, ami az általuk fogyasztott erőforrásoknak köszönhetően környezeti hatást fejt ki: Fák építésére és üzemanyagára, autók gázára, számítógépek villamos energiájára stb. A születési arány a megélhetési költségek növekedése miatt csökken, így a jövőben a lakosságunk természetesen csökkenni fog, csökkentve a környezetre gyakorolt hatást. Az egyik fő probléma az Afrikából és a Közel-Keletről származó bevándorlás, amely az elmúlt 10 évben az egekbe szökik. Azonnal meg kell állítanunk ezt, különben az EU lakossága túl sokat fog növekedni, és a környezet nem lesz többé megélhető. Arra is ösztönöznünk kell az európaiakat, hogy Afrikába és Közép-Keletre vándoroljanak, hogy ott vállalkozásokat indítsanak annak érdekében, hogy segítsék ezeket az országokat abban, hogy elfogadják az EU életszínvonalát, természetesen növeljék a megélhetési költségeket, az oktatást és csökkentsék születési arányukat, hogy idővel Afrika Közép-Kelet és Ázsia ne jelentsen ekkora nyomást az EU-ra. Úgy gondolom, hogy a bevándorlási politika sürgős megváltoztatása, amely azonnal lehajol a beáramlásról és növeli a kiáramlást, megmenti környezetünket. Erdőink, folyóink és látképeink elpusztulnak, ha az elkövetkező 20 évben nem csökkentjük az EU lakosságát 20%-kal! Ideális esetben az EU lakosságának 200 és 300 millió ember között kellene lennie!","it":"Nell'UE ci sono 600 milioni di persone, che creano l'impatto ambientale dovuto alle risorse che consumano: Alberi per la costruzione e il carburante, gas per auto, elettricità per computer ecc. Il tasso di natalità è in calo a causa dell'aumento del costo della vita, quindi in futuro la nostra popolazione diminuirà naturalmente riducendo l'impatto sull'ambiente. Uno dei principali problemi è l'immigrazione dall'Africa e dal Medio Oriente, che negli ultimi 10 anni si è alzata alle stelle. Dobbiamo porre fine a questa situazione immediatamente o la popolazione dell'UE aumenterà troppo e l'ambiente non sarà più salvabile. Dobbiamo inoltre incoraggiare gli europei a emigrare in Africa e Midle East per avviare un'attività in tale paese per aiutare questi paesi ad adottare il tenore di vita dell'UE, aumentare naturalmente il costo della vita, l'istruzione e abbassare i loro tassi di natalità, in modo che nel tempo l'Africa Midle East e l'Asia non esercitino una tale pressione sull'UE. Credo che un urgente cambiamento della politica dell'immigrazione, consistente nell'immediatamente abbassare l'afflusso e l'aumento del flusso in uscita, salverà l'ambiente. Le nostre foreste, i nostri fiumi e le nostre case saranno distrutti se non abbasseremo la popolazione dell'UE del 20 per cento nei prossimi 20 anni! Idealmente la popolazione dell'UE dovrebbe essere compresa tra 200 e 300 milioni di persone!","lt":"ES yra 600 milijonų žmonių, kurie daro poveikį aplinkai dėl išteklių, kuriuos jie vartoja: Medžiai statyboms ir kurui, dujos automobiliams, elektra kompiuteriams ir kt. gimstamumas mažėja dėl pragyvenimo išlaidų, todėl ateityje mūsų gyventojai natūraliai sumažins poveikį aplinkai. Viena iš pagrindinių problemų yra imigracija iš Afrikos ir Artimųjų Rytų, kuri per pastaruosius 10 metų buvo pikocketing. Turime nedelsiant sustabdyti šį procesą arba ES gyventojų skaičius per daug išaugs, o aplinka daugiau nebebūtų sužavėta. Mes taip pat turime skatinti europiečius emigruoti į Afriką ir Vidurio rytus, kad ten pradėtų verslą, kad padėtų šioms šalims pasiekti ES gyvenimo lygį, natūraliai padidinti pragyvenimo išlaidas, išsilavinimą ir sumažinti gimstamumą, kad tuo metu Afrika Vidurio Rytai ir Azija nekeltų tokio spaudimo ES. Manau, kad skubus imigracijos politikos pakeitimas – nedelsiant sustabdyti antplūdį ir padidinti nutekėjimą, padės išsaugoti mūsų aplinką. Mūsų miškai, mūsų upės ir mūsų akys bus sunaikinti, jei per ateinančius 20 metų ES gyventojų nesumažės 20 proc.! Idealiu atveju ES gyventojai turėtų būti nuo 200 iki 300 mln. žmonių!","lv":"ES ir 600 dzirnavu cilvēku, kas rada ietekmi uz vidi to patērēto resursu dēļ: Koki būvniecībai un degvielai, gāze automašīnām, elektrība datoriem utt. Dzīves dārdzības pieauguma dēļ dzimstība samazinās, tāpēc nākotnē mūsu iedzīvotāju skaits, protams, samazinās ietekmi uz vidi. Viena no galvenajām problēmām ir imigrācija no Āfrikas un Tuvajiem Austrumiem, kas pēdējos 10 gados ir strauji pieaugusi. Mums tas nekavējoties jāpārtrauc, vai arī ES iedzīvotāju skaits pieaugs pārāk daudz, un vide vairs nebūs atpazīstama. Mums ir arī jāmudina eiropieši emigrēt uz Āfriku un Vidusaustrumu, lai sāktu uzņēmējdarbību tur, lai palīdzētu šīm valstīm pieņemt ES dzīves līmeni, dabiski palielināt dzīves dārdzību, izglītību un samazināt dzimstību, lai laikā Āfrika Midle East un Āzija neradītu šādu spiedienu uz ES. ES uzskatu, ka steidzama Imigrācijas politikas maiņa, kas nekavējoties izraisa pieplūdumu un palielina izplūdi, glābs mūsu vidi. Mūsu meži, mūsu upes un mūsu redzi tiks iznīcināti, ja nākamajos 20 gados mēs nesamazināsim ES iedzīvotāju skaitu par 20 %. Ideālā gadījumā ES iedzīvotāju skaitam jābūt no 200 līdz 300 dzirnavām!","mt":"Hemm 600 miljun persuna fl-UE, li joħolqu l-Impatt Ambjentali minħabba r-riżorsi li jikkonsmaw: Siġar għall-kostruzzjoni u l-fjuwil, gass għall-karozzi, Elettriku għall-kompjuters eċċ Ir-rata tat-twelid qed tonqos minħabba ż-żieda fl-għoli tal-ħajja u għalhekk fil-futur il-popolazzjoni tagħna naturalment se tnaqqas l-impatt fuq l-ambjent. Waħda mill-problemi ewlenin hija l-Immigrazzjoni mill-Afrika u l-Lvant Nofsani, li kien skyrocketing fl-aħħar 10 snin. Jeħtieġ li nwaqqfu dan immedjatament jew il-popolazzjoni tal-UE se tiżdied wisq u l-Ambjent mhux se jibqa’ jsalva. Jeħtieġ ukoll li ninkoraġġixxu lill-Ewropej jemigraw lejn l-Afrika u Midle Lvant biex jibdew negozji hemmhekk biex jgħinu lil dawk il-Pajjiżi jadottaw il-livell tal-għajxien tal-UE, naturalment iżidu l-għoli tal-ħajja, l-edukazzjoni u jbaxxu r-rati tat-twelid tagħhom sabiex fi żmien iż-żmien l-Afrika Midle East u l-Asja ma joħolqux pressjoni bħal din fuq l-UE. Nemmen li bidla urġenti fil-politika ta’ l-Immigrazzjoni ta’ immedjatament taħwid l-influss u żżid l-out-flux se tiffranka l-ambjent tagħna. Il-foresti tagħna, ix-xmajjar tagħna, u l-affarijiet tagħna se jinqerdu jekk ma nbaxxux il-popolazzjoni ta’ l-UE b’20 % fl-20 sena li ġejjin! Idealment, il-popolazzjoni tal-UE għandha tkun bejn 200 u 300 miljun persuna!","nl":"Er zijn 600 molens in de EU, die de milieu-impact teweegbrengen als gevolg van de hulpbronnen die zij verbruiken: Bomen voor bouw en brandstof, gas voor auto’s, elektriciteit voor computers, enz. Het geboortecijfer daalt als gevolg van de stijging van de kosten van levensonderhoud, zodat onze bevolking in de toekomst natuurlijk de impact op het milieu zal verminderen. Een groot probleem is de immigratie uit Afrika en het Midden-Oosten, die de afgelopen tien jaar omhoog is geschoten. We moeten dit onmiddellijk stoppen of de bevolking van de EU zal te veel toenemen en het milieu zal niet meer doordringen. We moeten de Europeanen ook aanmoedigen om naar Afrika en Midden-Oosten te emigreren om daar bedrijven op te zetten om die landen te helpen de levensstandaard van de EU over te nemen, natuurlijk de kosten van levensonderhoud, het onderwijs en hun geboortecijfers te verhogen, zodat Afrika Midden-Oosten en Azië op tijd niet zo onder druk komen te staan op de EU. Ik denk dat een dringende verandering van het immigratiebeleid om de toestroom onmiddellijk te verstevigen en de uitstroom te vergroten ons milieu zal redden. Onze bossen, onze rivieren en onze bezienswaardigheden zullen vernietigd worden als we de EU-bevolking de komende twintig jaar niet met 20 procent verlagen! Idealiter zou de bevolking van de EU tussen de 200 en 300 miljoen mensen moeten zijn!","pl":"W UE jest 600 milionów ludzi, co powoduje wpływ na środowisko ze względu na zasoby, które zużywają: Drzewa do budowy i paliwa, gaz do samochodów, elektryczność dla komputerów itp. Stopień urodzeń spada ze względu na wzrost kosztów utrzymania, więc w przyszłości nasza populacja będzie naturalnie zmniejszać wpływ na środowisko. Jednym z głównych problemów jest imigracja z Afryki i Bliskiego Wschodu, która w ciągu ostatnich 10 lat gwałtownie rośnie. Musimy to natychmiast powstrzymać, albo liczba ludności UE będzie zbyt duża, a środowisko już nie będzie możliwe. Musimy również zachęcać Europejczyków do emigracji do Afryki i Midle na wschód, aby rozpocząć tam działalność gospodarczą, aby pomóc tym krajom w przyjęciu standardu życia UE, naturalnie zwiększyć koszty życia, edukację i obniżyć współczynnik urodzeń, tak aby z czasem Afryka Midle East i Azja nie wywierały takiej presji na UE. Uważam, że pilna zmiana polityki imigracyjnej polegająca na natychmiastowym zahamowaniu napływu i zwiększeniu odpływu uratuje nasze środowisko. Nasze lasy, rzeki i nasze widziane zostaną zniszczone, jeśli nie obniżymy liczby ludności UE o 20 % w ciągu najbliższych 20 lat! Najlepiej byłoby, gdyby liczba ludności w UE wynosiła od 200 do 300 milionów ludzi!","pt":"Existem 600 milhões de pessoas na UE, criando o impacto ambiental devido aos recursos que consomem: Árvores para construção e combustível, gás para carros, eletricidade para computadores, etc. A taxa de natalidade está diminuindo devido ao aumento do custo de vida, pelo que, no futuro, a nossa população diminuirá naturalmente, diminuindo o impacto no ambiente. Um dos principais problemas é a imigração de África e do Médio Oriente, que tem vindo a disparar nos últimos 10 anos. Temos de acabar com isto imediatamente ou a população da UE aumentará demasiado e o ambiente deixará de ser viável. Temos também de incentivar os europeus a emigrar para África e para o Médio Oriente, a fim de aí criarem empresas, a fim de ajudar esses países a adotar o nível de vida da UE, a aumentar naturalmente o custo de vida, a educação e a reduzir as suas taxas de natalidade, de modo a que, a tempo, a África do Médio Oriente e a Ásia não exerçam uma pressão tão grande sobre a UE. Creio que uma mudança urgente da política de imigração, que consiste em derrubar imediatamente o afluxo e aumentar o fluxo, salvará o nosso ambiente. As nossas florestas, os nossos rios e os nossos olhos serão destruídos se não baixarmos a população da UE em 20 % nos próximos 20 anos! Idealmente, a população da UE deve estar entre 200 e 300 milhões de pessoas!","ro":"Există 600 de milioane de oameni în UE, ceea ce creează impactul asupra mediului datorită resurselor pe care le consumă: Copaci pentru construcții și combustibil, gaz pentru autoturisme, energie electrică pentru calculatoare etc. Rata natalității este în scădere datorită creșterii costului vieții, astfel încât în viitor populația noastră va scădea în mod natural, reducând impactul asupra mediului. O problemă majoră este imigrația din Africa și Orientul Mijlociu, care a crescut în ultimii 10 ani. Trebuie să oprim imediat acest lucru sau populația UE va crește prea mult, iar mediul nu va mai putea fi salvat. De asemenea, trebuie să-i încurajăm pe europeni să emigreze în Africa și în Midle East pentru a-și înființa întreprinderi pentru a ajuta aceste țări să adopte nivelul de trai al UE, să crească în mod natural costul vieții, educația și să reducă rata natalității, astfel încât, în timp, Africa Midle-Est și Asia să nu exercite o astfel de presiune asupra UE. Cred că o schimbare urgentă a politicii de imigrare, care constă în coborârea imediată a afluxului și creșterea afluxului, ne va salva mediul înconjurător. Pădurile noastre, râurile și vedetele noastre vor fi distruse dacă nu reducem populația UE cu 20 % în următorii 20 de ani! În mod ideal, populația UE ar trebui să fie între 200 și 300 de milioane de persoane!","sk":"V EÚ je 600 miliónov ľudí, čo vytvára vplyv na životné prostredie z dôvodu zdrojov, ktoré spotrebúvajú: Stromy pre stavebníctvo a pohonné hmoty, plyn pre automobily, Elektrina pre počítače atď. Národnosť klesá v dôsledku nárastu životných nákladov, takže v budúcnosti naša populácia prirodzene zníži vplyv na životné prostredie. Jedným z hlavných problémov je prisťahovalectvo z Afriky a Blízkeho východu, ktoré za posledných 10 rokov prudko stúplo. Musíme to okamžite zastaviť alebo sa počet obyvateľov EÚ príliš zvýši a životné prostredie už nebude záchraniteľné. Musíme tiež povzbudzovať Európanov, aby emigrovali do Afriky a Stredného východu, aby tam začali podnikať s cieľom pomôcť týmto krajinám osvojiť si životnú úroveň EÚ, prirodzene zvýšiť životné náklady, vzdelanie a znížiť pôrodnosť, aby Afrika na Strednom východe a v Ázii nevyvolala takýto tlak na EÚ. Verím, že naliehavá zmena prisťahovaleckej politiky spočívajúca v okamžitom znižovaní prílevu a zvyšovaní odlivu zachráni naše životné prostredie. Naše lesy, naše rieky a naše pohľady sa zničia, ak v nasledujúcich 20 rokoch neznížime počet obyvateľov EÚ o 20 %. V ideálnom prípade by mala byť populácia EÚ 200 až 300 miliónov ľudí!","sl":"V EU je 600 milijonov ljudi, kar ustvarja vpliv na okolje zaradi virov, ki jih porabijo: Drevesa za gradbeništvo in gorivo, plin za avtomobile, elektriko za računalnike itd. Rojstvo se zmanjšuje zaradi povečanja življenjskih stroškov, zato bo v prihodnosti naše prebivalstvo naravno zmanjšalo vpliv na okolje. Velik problem je priseljevanje iz Afrike in Bližnjega vzhoda, ki je v zadnjih 10 letih naraščalo. To moramo takoj ustaviti ali pa se bo prebivalstvo EU preveč povečalo in okolje ne bo več živahno. Prav tako moramo spodbujati Evropejce, da se izselijo v Afriko in Midle vzhod, da tam ustanovijo podjetja, ki bodo tem državam pomagala sprejeti življenjski standard EU, seveda povečati življenjske stroške, izobraževanje in znižati stopnjo rodnosti, da sčasoma Afrika Midle East in Azija ne bosta predstavljali takšnega pritiska na EU. Menim, da bo nujna sprememba politike priseljevanja, ki bo takoj zaustavila pritok in povečala iztok, rešila naše okolje. Naši gozdovi, naše reke in naši pogledi bodo uničeni, če v naslednjih 20 letih ne bomo zmanjšali števila prebivalcev EU za 20 %. V idealnem primeru bi moralo biti število prebivalcev EU med 200 in 300 milijoni prebivalcev!","sv":"Det finns 600 kvarn människor i EU, vilket skapar miljöpåverkan på grund av de resurser som de förbrukar: Träd för byggnation och bränsle, gas för bilar, el för datorer etc. Födelsetalen minskar på grund av ökade levnadsomkostnader så i framtiden kommer vår befolkning naturligt att minska miljöpåverkan. Ett stort problem är invandringen från Afrika och Mellanöstern, som har skjutit i höjden under de senaste tio åren. Vi måste stoppa detta omedelbart, annars kommer EU:s befolkning att öka för mycket och miljön kommer inte längre att kunna räddas. Vi måste också uppmuntra européerna att emigrera till Afrika och Midle öster om att starta företag där för att hjälpa dessa länder att anta EU:s levnadsstandard, naturligtvis öka levnadskostnaderna, utbildningen och sänka födelsetalen så att Afrika Midle East och Asien inte utövar ett sådant tryck på EU. Jag tror att en brådskande förändring av invandringspolitiken genom att omedelbart minska tillströmningen och öka utflödet kommer att rädda vår miljö. Våra skogar, våra floder och våra ögon kommer att förstöras om vi inte sänker EU:s befolkning med 20 procent under de kommande 20 åren! 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Europa sollte sich hüten vor einer neuen Welle einer Kolonialisierung... das ging schon einmal schwer daneben. Genau dieses Erbe ist eine der vielen Ursachen für die Migration heute. Türen zu und wegschauen löst keines der beiden angesprochenen Probleme. Wir sind nicht zu viele, sondern jeder von uns verbraucht zu viel.
Wir müssen einen neues Verständnis von Wohlstand entwickeln; einem Wohlstand der NICHT verknüpft ist, mit der Ausbeutung von Ressourcen.
Richtig aber ist aus meiner Sicht aber die angesprochene Notwendigkeit der Zuwendung an die Probleme der anderen, ärmeren Gesellschaften. Das liegt in Europa etwas im Argen, da sich zum Beispiel Geflügelbauern am Wochenmarkt in Afrika gegen das agrarsubventionierte Hühnerfleisch aus der EU durchsetzen müssen uvam.
In der Abschaffung solcher Marktverzerrungen besteht dringender Handlungsbedarf, da sich Menschen letztlich auch deshalb auf den Weg nach Europa machen, weil Europa die Chance verbaut, zuhause etwas auf zu bauen.
I am sorry, I do not understand your language sir/madam! Can you use an official Eu language like English please?
Try this: https://prnt.sc/11rdebt
By the way, EU has 24 official languages, German is one of them. See https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/eu-languages_en
when you speak on Europe please use English! Nobody speaks 24 languages that is silly! We all speak English in this world! It's our only common language on Terra! If you want people to understand you use English, if you want to have an attitude and be silly use German yeah! Don't try to be special, it's really silly!
As mentioned below, we all can use automatic translation. It's offered on each proposal site. Who can read has definitely some advantages.
Maybe the EU hosts & administrators of this platform could make that tool more obvious or make it possible to translate single comments. But whoever is able to read & use what is offered now, has a splendid life & much more fun.
I already saw 1 idea spelled out in Romanian gaining support from all over Europe or discussed topics with people using Portuguese, Dutch or Polish. It's great.
Der Charme dieser mehrsprachigen Plattform ist, dass jeder in seiner bevorzugten Sprache, die er oben einstellt kommunizieren kann. Übersetzt wird der Text dann automatisch beim Druck auf "Warnhinweis: Inhalt könnte automatisch übersetzt und nicht zu 100% korrekt sein. -> automatisch übersetzen". Darum gibt es hier keinen Grund, sich nicht zu verstehen...sprachlich! ;-)
Ein anderes, kostenloses Übersetzungsprogramm ist mit allen 24 EU-Sprachen ist www.deepl.com
As I already mentioned, we all can easily communicate in our original language because every proposal site contains a button for automatical translation :)).
Who is able to read, definitely has advantages, gets more information & has more fun.
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Even with all the immigration, the population of EU is set to decrease by 2050.
we will not reach 2050, we need to decrease the population now. If Europe will have more than 500 mil in 2030, a cascade of events will happen that will destroy the EU. Food shortage, hyperinflation, unimaginable traffic, pandemics, and animal species extinctions. At that moment some countries will decide to go back to nationalism aka Brexit! In the end EU will fail miserably! And why? Stubbornness! When everyone tells you: Stop Migration, Set common language, set common currency, set common government, follow US model, Don't be socialist, Don't be Marxist. Don't be communist, what does EU do? More migration, higher taxes, keeping 27 languages, chases business out and punishes the tax payer! what could go wrong!
I think that you missed EU's motto: United in Diversity.
Be specific, please. What event's will happen and why? From my point of view, more people living in one place decreases the population, because it naturally reduces natality. If you have many people in different areas, they have loads of space to spread to and so they're naturally encouraged to have more children. Another important thing to remember is the fact, that nature will take a hit everywhere, where people reside. No matter the continent. And I think that we can all agree that European nature has much fewer endangered species, such as gorillas or tropical birds. The nature we have here isn't that important compared to rainforests.
Also, we can combat all the issues that you mentioned in other ways than just prevention:
Food shortage → Artificially produced food
Traffic → Better infrastructure
Pandemics → Better precautions and more research
Hyperinflation - why? This won't happen if we're careful.
Diversity means 27 European nations, Diversity does not mean africans midle eastern and asian nationals!
1. Artificially produced food is not healthy. It creates cancer.
2. Better infrastructure means more damage to the environment, so you loose me here as well.
3. Pandemics..yeah I agree better measures and reaserch is needed but less people willalso help, so I win here too!
4. Hyperinflation with increased population governments will inevitably print more money, I agree that quantitative restriction can be applied but has any EU leader advised for that in the last 20 years since the migration has increased? NO. Reduce population than you can afford to reduce the money supply and keep the asset value stable!
@gina_spur Of course Diversity includes all nations and races, it's kinda in the definition of that word.
1. No, it's not unhealthy and it definitely doesn't cause cancer, unless it's produced in a very dumb way.
2. Not necessarily
3. Nah, that's not a win, that a draw in the worst case. You are just pleading for the less good solution out of the two possible ones.
4. Sorry, but I don't think you know how a basic economy works. Look how the population grew in e. g. Romania in the past X years. And how did the inflation affect the value of the money. Nothing serious.
what country of eu are you paying taxes in?
http://decidim-dife/Decidim::User/2805 How is it related?
Western Europe is becoming filled with undesirables! Before when we eastern Europeans wanted to emigrate west we got all kind of barriers, now the borders are open for Africa and the Middle east! More and More Islam and more and more migrants from that culture! I wonder why? What change ? and why is Europe so interested to become Islamic?
http://decidim-dife/Decidim::User/2805 Muslims are currently around 5 % of the EU population. If all the refugees were Muslims and we accepted them all, it would raise to 6 % - 7 %. Put simply, this won't make Europe Islamic. And if you're about to respond with "higher natality than ethnic Europeans" and such stuff, then you have no idea how demographics work. The fact that emigrating was harder some time ago isn't a reason to keep it that way. A hundred years ago, it was normal to throw rocks at jews. Is that a reason to do the same now? Of course not. You're like that one teacher that just won't turn on the air conditioning when it's 30 °C outside, because "WhEn I wAs In YoUr AgE wE dIdN't HaVe AiR cOnDiTiOnInG aNd We SuRvIvEd".
I really can understand your frustration. To limit access for people from Eastern Europe in times when they craved for all the new possibilities and struggled with system change at home, was not the best & most social way to handle new relations. Definitely not.
I too do not want Europe to become islamic. But I would like to differentiate the question of influx.
First, we had big influx in 2015 when masses arrived and Italy & Greece were no longer willing & able to handle that. This caused a European crisis & the German chancellor decided to react. The people, Germany & other countries took in that year, already were in Europe. They were entitled to be treated as refugees with a fair & open trial for each individual case both by international & European law. The only difference to normal procedure was that Italy & Greece were not longer unfairly left alone, but countries in centre & northern Europe stepped up to support the main influx countries.
Second, since that time, things have changed dramatically. Influx numbers have decreased massively, partly due to treaties in place, partly due to unconstitutional behavior from frontex & others. Influx rates are actually not higher than before 2015. What has changed, are the discussions, the awareness about masses of African people, Arab people, people from Afghanistan etc struggling to enter Europe.
Third: Of course we cannot take in whoever wishes to enter. We have the right to protect our boarders, our societies, our livelihoods & our markets. But we are not alone in the world.
We have neighbours. We have allies, partners - and responsibilities. We cannot preach the world human rights and ourselves ignore them. We cannot speak about values which in case of struggle do not exist. We cannot ignore history & our own role in destabilizing whole regions, destroying & blocking development.
I think, we should consider our role in the world & find humain, viable & acceptable options.
Fourth: if we decide to make our own foreign & trade policy more sustainable, many people in Africa will no longer have to leave the countries because they cannot find any perspectives at home. If we continue the way we're doing right now, we have to face the fact that the enormous pressure from decaying inner African markets, wars & massive climate issues will dramatically increase the number of people who desperately search a future in Europe. The higher the number, the higher the economic, social & environmental pressures which drive people out of their countries, the less chances we have to reduce or stop the trend. Simply because people who are really desperate & don't see other options don't care for their lives. The option is not whether to go to Europe or not, but rather whether they reach Europe or die instead.
Replacing current foreign, trade & development policy by really sustainable, responsable & respectful practices would reduce pressure immensely.
Fifth: It might sound contraintuitive, but creating free access panels might help to massively reduce pressure, because people who have legal ways to come for educational purposes, for research activities, for working & experience & go back after a while, are not under pressure to force their way to Europe & try to stay, whatever it takes.
It sounds weird, but scientists found that especially Africa is highly endangered to lose their brightest minds, as many families struggle to place at least one highly educated child in Europe to support the rest. That's an incredible tragedy for both sides.
If we create well placed channels of exchange, both sides will win. If people easily can enter on a regular basis, they also more easily can return. They are less bound to stay, just because they don't want to lose respect from friends, family & neighbours. They don't need to idealize Europe & make even more people search there for a better future. These are well known mechanisms.
Sixth. I think, we should change the way, how we discuss placement of refugees in Europe. This is not about moral, ideology or cultural war. It's about adapting to the consequences of globalisation, climate change & own political failures in the present and past. It's about developing society in a sustainable way.
So, I would suggest that we stop to fight over placements. If countries & societies are not ready for influx, because they have other problems to solve, other developments to follow, because they have other historical backgrounds & relationships throughout the world, we should respect that & only ask for some financial compensation for the most challenging tasks.
Some western European countries need qualified people for several sectors to keep them running. Some research institutions are already fairly international & would be less productive, if they ceased to be.
Multinational companies also need highly diverse employees to properly handle their business.
Unfortunately, these developments are far outside the general perception & discussions. In fact, I found that even well educated middle class people often do not understand the real reasons, impacts & mechanisms of migration.
They first don't understand that migration doesn't generally or mainly mean poor, unqualified people coming from outside Europe & migrating into our social systems. They don't understand that migration numbers include inner European migration, which is the biggest part of all. They have no idea that another high portion of migration comes from other Western countries. If they hear or read about migration, they only imagine poor, unqualified people coming by boat.
They don't think about the high number of migrants coming from European countries not yet in the EU. They underestimate the importance of former so called guests workers from Turkey who came to stay for migration statistics in the EU. They don't see the influx from Russia etc.
We also see some special migration dynamics in countries like France and Belgium, also in Britain due to former colonial ties. In these cases it can be difficult to take in even inner European migrants like Roma from Eastern Europe.
So what about nowadays new refugees?
My experience is that some of them vastly contribute to the host society. But unfortunately the overheated debate about migration has made immigration bureaucracy expell exactly these highly integrated & needed people due to the wish to present success rates of repatriation. This is shameful, costly, inhumane, unsustainable & unfair. If we don't succeed in discussing & addressing these problems properly, we create incredible damage.
Should we take in everybody or let everyone stay? I don't think so. But we perhaps should use more sustainable concepts & practices. One would be to offer those who find their place in our society better & more transparent possibilities to stay.
Another point is to put forward intelligent sustainable economic & environmental projects for example in African countries - or support existing ones. If we contribute to these projects by qualifying people as development agents for their native or neighbouring countries, many people who don't have big perspectives in Europe are likely to leave. I recently read something about a new program - I think from the United States. They search people from Latin America, living in the US for environmental projects in Latin America, which are dedicated to improve agriculture, fight droughts, improve food production, reduce impact of natural desasters & improve living conditions in Latin America. To do something similar in a African-European partnership would help a lot. But to do so, we first have to spell out our own concepts of agriculture, landuse, sustainability. The US have a strong tradition with both experience and science concerning regenerative agriculture & other measures. And EU?
What about Islam?
We certainly have severe problems with islamistic communities inside & outside the EU. No question.
Unfortunately a big part of that is the result of our own ignorance. Europeans have conquered & destabilised Arab countries. US did the same. Now to say, they all should stay at home & deal with the consequences, is not very realistic.
So former colonial powers have taken in people from former colonies. But they didn't care how to deal with old fears, prejudice, colonial behaviours & thoughts. They didn't actively engage in dialogue & development. Some people feel left behind, discriminated, disenfranchised & started to refrain to some very weird & extreme interpretation of Islam. This is a highly dangerous development.
But are all Arabs or all Muslims dangerous for Europe? Not really. When I say so, I have experience, science & statistics on my side.
First. What's missing in public debate is the fact that many refugees from Arab countries are actually Christians or belong to other endangered non Islamic groups. These people have a lot of difficulties with prejudices from the general public. Furthermore many people coming from Syria are staunch democrats, secular Muslims or atheists. They left their country, because they had serious trouble with the repressive regime, didn't want to join the religious rebels & didn't trust peace in curdish regions.
Many Syrians who came to Germany in 2015 have informed the German police about fellow Syrians whom they knew to be part of the Syrian regime or of dangerous religious groups, because they felt endangered by such people & because they wanted to protect the society that helped them.
There were some problems with a few Syrians who attacked German people. But there were quite as many cases where Syrians spontaneously protected German society & citizens.
Similar things apply to many Muslims, both secular & religious who do not have any extremist traits. So, we actually have strong allies within the community. But up to now, we mostly have ignored them & left them alone.
Even more dangerously, many Muslims feel discriminated & disenfranchised. In many cases they actually are & most public debate, I have seen during recent years, do not really help but make things worse.
Many young people who feel they have no perspective, are attracted by extremist thoughts. That's highly dangerous. We have to find more intelligent ways to address that.
Also certainly, there can be terrorists who deliberately come to Europe to destabilize the place. We have to fight this. This is task of police and security agencies. But we definitely should not punish innocent fellow Muslims for this.
I don't want a police state! I want freedom! Let's take the Islam out where it was and we\ll return to the peace and happiness we had in the 70's and 80's and 90's. America has experimented multiculti long before us and identified migrants with Islamic background as problematic while Hindu, Jews, and Asian integrated fine! The problem is not the migrant, the problem is his culture! Some cultures are toxic, savage, and incompatible with the west!
Sorry, I can't follow the logic of your argument.
Police states are historically not bound to any sort of political or religious taste. We have seen christian police states in Spain & South America. There were nationalist police states, fashist police states and communist police states. And now we also have islamic ones. Some of them are police states, because they follow a special narrow interpretation of Islamic culture. Some are ruled by nationalist authoritarian governments. And some people from there come to us, just because they also dislike to live in a police state.
Of course, there are also some people who do not really understand our culture & what freedom is about. I think, we should send them back.
Last, but not least, the environmental impact, discussed in the original proposal on this site is not genuinely created by the quantity of people, living in the area. It's genuinely depending on the practices of land use, water management, the way, we build & use our cities etc. Reduction of people doesn't help. If do not develop more sustainable practices in all areas of our lives, we will fail, whatever number of population we have.
Does this mean that we have to reduce our quantity of living? Not really. We just have to adopt more sustainable ways to cover our needs and desires.
It's quality of life
Stop being so liberal and socialist! Mateo Salvini is very disappointed in you! And so am I!
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An immigrant into Europe does not inherently have a higher environmental footprint in Europe than they would have at home. A European emigrant to a poorer nation does not automatically have a lower environmental footprint in their host country. If they move there to make other countries "adopt the EU standard of living", they would cause more strain on the environment, not less.
There is no direct correlation between migration and environmental impact. This proposal is utter nonsense.
This is just a thinly veiled, xenophobic, European supremacist "idea".
Very reasonable idea. It makes sense.
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Nice try at sneaking in a chauvinistic isolationist proposal, but no thanks. Stopping immigration as an excuse to not adopt proper anticonsumerist and industry-regulating policies will not solve anything for the environment and will only increase interethnic and interracial tensions.
ok than what about slowing it down? Maybe accept just migrants that can contribute like doctors engineers skilled workers and people like that, that can contribute rather than drain the EU? will you at least accept that?
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It makes no difference where we place the population of the world. Either in or out of EU, the western way of living is unsustainable. What we need to do, is change the system and let everyone willing to adapt to the sustainable system to become part of it. The nations of Europe are the most responsible for the state of the global climate and we need to take the responsibility.
People are migrating from poorer countries with difficult local climates because the nations of Europe made those countries poor and destoyed the climate.
We are all one and the same on this tiny wet space rock. We need to come together if we want to survive. I think EU could be the one bringing everyone together. We just need to define the values and laws of our utopia and give people the resources to join together in building it. I think this platform is the first step on this path.
Peace and love <3
wow, I have a hard time explaining to a bulgarian that his nation is "most responsible for the state of the global climate" I think he will think I am crazy person! :)
That's really a point, missing in the debate. Your Bulgarian fellow citizens might actually not be the most responsible for climate change & other catastrophes. That's one point, why I would suggest that we refrain from discussing replacement of refugees. Some eastern European countries simply have other problems. They don't have the historical background. And actually, they are less responsible for what's going on.
They also might not be prepared to take people with other languages & cultural backgrounds in. I think, the western European societies with long standing experiences in the field which also mainly profited from colonies or unfair trading practices should be the first to implement proper policies for nowadays refugees.
Genuine eastern European questions are classical minorities like Gipsys in return.
It's not that easy for Western Europe to deal with refugees from outside Europe & Gipsys from Eastern Europe at the same time.
I pay taxes and I dont want my tax money to go to these programs! It's leftist propaganda and Europe needs to put the tax payer first! refugees not welcome! Send them back to fix their country!
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I really strongly disagree with this idea. It does not matter much where people live, neither how many they are. If we tried to fix the issue by controlling the population, countries like Denmark would need to reduce their population to 1/5 of the current number, to reach sustainable resource use.
https://www.overshootday.org/newsroom/country-overshoot-days/
Instead we need to change our behavior, reduce our consumerism and decrease our overall resource use per person. AND at the same time we need to reduce inequality in between countries and distribute wealth more evenly around the world.
I doubt you are willing to shanghai or mumbay...or any overpopulated part of the world like Mexico city for example...yeah, Miroslav, it's really hard life over-there, people are crowded like insects..trust me you dont want that for us! But thanks for your opinion, I think you are good person!
If we ever experience such a migration wave, that will significantly increase our population and make our cities look like Mexico city, it will highly likely be something which we (western society) caused ourselves - e.g. climate crisis (lack of food, water, unbearable climate) a war (many possible reasons, including water scarcity) or very unequally distributed wealth.
It is our choice that we have not started to deal with these issues yet. And we will have to bear consequences for that.
if you hate the western society, civilization so much...why don't you move to another better society, is there such a society somewhere? I promise, I will not stop you!
Yeah! I thought so!
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Instead of trying to regulate or to incrase the population, why not helping europeans workers to work in better conditions. What about, for instance, to increase substantially the number of day-nurseries on every work places.
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who will pay for that? we are already overtaxed! socialism doesn't work. us has become number 1 because of capitalism! let's do what work heh?
You're really funny!
The problem is that our financial markets have developed some flaws which create multiple crises. This development is now accelerating exponentially. It creates ever growing inequality inside & between countries & wealth concentration in ever fewer hands. It produces growth of state & private debts & multiple escalating debt crises.
We have much more money virtually spinning around the world & seeking investment opportunities than physically exists. And we have an even higher amount of virtual value created by derivatives which can & actually repeatedly do endanger real markets & economy.
That's why we lack the money where it's most needed. And why we are overtaxed & underserved. The irony is that the money exists. It accumulates where it doesn't return to general public use. The solution is not socialism, but financial & ecological sustainability, which means reducing damaging practices.
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I don't see how stopping putting a stop to migration will suddenly impact our eco footprint in that extend. Firstly, migration is in our nature. Without migration you wouldn't be here.
second, the cost of migration is self-sustained. A migrant, with the proper education and support, will in his turn contribute for society, which allows more people to have a fulfilling life.
A problem with the migration in recent history is that we asked for the migrants to do the tasks we didn't like and at the same time are not looking it when they are educated and have a decent paid job.
Also they are stigmatized in a very bad way.
The second part of your proposal is more decent, however we cannot expect private companies to do such things. projects, such as installation of basic needs has never been privatized projects. It are governmental projects.
We should look into investing in foreign countries and help building a stable environment.
than you have no problem moving to bangalore and live there where there are so many people ...they are not overpopulated, they nice they have no traffic jams and all is kumbaia...right? I'll stay here and protect the european way of life that gave us nice cities, nice freeways and nice standard of living, I have no problem keeping it! what you say? you probably voted for Merkel :) huh?
Ok.. You realy don't have a clue what you are talking about.
I'm not German but if you look at the facts ,Merkel has accomplished many, many good things which are helping you too.
So yeah i would rather vote for her compared to the stances of the Orban's or Duda's you are going for.
Europe will split! We eastern European can not stand Islam and the liberal smugness! All the LGBTQ agenda is contrary to our Family Values in the East! So Congratulation to Merkel for showing us what Europe she wants! We reject it!
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EU http://decidim-dife/Decidim::Proposals::Proposal/446 million inhabitants
Europe http://decidim-dife/Decidim::Proposals::Proposal/748 million inhabitants
1) learn geography
2) do not reject other languages (you can use this web and it's functionality to translate as well 3rd party translators)
3) do not mix up facts as it fits your agenda.
4) the topic is rather valid for Migration section.
Last, stop spamming other suggestions with link to your idea. Very bad approach.
Oddly text with hyperlinks did overwrite the numbers:
"EU Create a European identity via modern cultural elements million inhabitants
Europe Weiterentwicklung der Landwirtschaft million inhabitants"
should have been:
EU population ~ 446 million
Europe Population ~ 748 million
What the hell is wrong with you? You call today germans the N-word (the other N-word), you are trying to use other people's names as arguments and whenever anyone tries to argue with you, you come out with "WeLL wHy DoN't YoU mOvE tHeRe???". Seriously, what's wrong with "Rada"? My classmate in elementary school was named like that and I'm most probably living in a different country than Imrich.
What kind of name is Spur anyway?
Dear Gina, you might need to read again the comment from Jan. Or you can check using online search functions. Anyway, I really wonder, how you connected my surname with Islamic, which you also describe as speculative. First of all, that is and never was Islamic, it has is origin in Europe and meaning is advice/counsel.
Second, you went out of topic moving from the discussion to name of the participant in discussion.
Third, you projected your problem to other(s).
Fourth, we are not required to explain you your own problems which you deny to exist.
I hope, you will appreciate my attempt to comment the most accurate as possible on the content of your comment. Also, I kindly ask you, to focus back on the original topic - you did bring to the table.
I've tried to explain earlier. Maybe you'll read & figure out.
After the Paris attacks do you still blame people for not wanting to have a "real experience with Islam" as you phrased it ?
The partly funny & partly tragic thing is that people who have no real experience with Islam think they know everything.
Even in Israel with its long lasting territorial troubles, the overwhelming majority of the Palestinian people isn't aggressive. Otherwise many Israeli settlements would not exist. I was shocked when I first realised that there are as many Palestinians as Israeli people with Jewish background. I was dazzled when I learned how many so called Arabic Israeli people exist. Most of them are simply relatives of the Palestinians who directly live in Israel. If they all were terrorists, Israel society as we know it, would not exist.
Surely, there is massive terrorism. Surely, there are severe problems. Surely, we can't ignore them & make business as usual. But to think that all Muslims are terrorists, is simply crap.
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Die Einwanderung ist nicht das Problem. Unsere Wirtschaft und die Rentensysteme brauchen mehr junge Menschen.
Menschen, die sich trotz aller Widrigkeiten auf den Weg nach Europa machen, sind engagiert und mutig, und damit ein Gewinn für Europa.
Ich bin aber sehr dafür, zu helfen, dass die Menschen in ihren Heimatländern bessere Lebensbedingungen bekommen.
Nonsens!
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