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The fact that an proposition which all memberstates vote yes, or agree with, can be overruled by just 1 country using it's veto is a disgrace.
If a majority of memberstates vote yes for an propositon and a minority no, then majority wins.
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While it might sound good at paper, if such measures are taken they could be misused in many ways with one country being forced to do practically anything even if a slight majority of the member states agree. While it sounds good in the short term, in reality in the long run it could irreversibly damage eu democracy. That's why we should keep the veto powers even if a bit problematic beacuse it ensures the solidarity and cooperation between member states
Imagine how hard it would be to rule inside of one country if each city could veto something. In every country if something becomes a law with even a slight majority, then all cities and all areas of the country are forced to do it. And it works ok. Imagine how hard it would be to make a new law in France for example, if majority of the country was for something, but one city was against. I think that would look more like anarchy than democracy. And we have that currently in EU - minority blocks the majority, that is not democracy by definition and it needs to be changed.
regarding the problem with the "slight majority": there is already a mechanism in european-law that is designed to deal with this issue. it is called "qualified majority" - for a vote to pass, it needs to be supported by at least 55% of the total number of member states, and all of the supporters need to represent at least 65% of the european citizens.
with this, it is not possible for a lot of smaler states (eg. austria, slovakia,...) to overrule the bigger ones, but also the bigger ones (eg. italy, france, germany) can not force their will upon the others
Democracy is about majority. Democracy 50 % + 1 vote. That's democracy.
If majority can be blocked by minority that's not democratic.
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This will alienate those parties "suffering" from majority rule.
La tyrannie de la majorité en démocratie est évitable si des règles fondamentales protégeant les minorités sont mises en place.
The tyranny of majority in a democracy is avoidable if basic rules protecting minorities are put in place.
The existence of the veto does not keep significant part of the EU population from being alienated. I believe the opposite alienation effect, the one we experience currently is stronger.
Plus the EU does have an alternative model to avoid ploughing under a minority: The qualified double majority, i.e. by number of countries and by population
agree
L’abolition du vote à l’unanimité peut être contournée dès à présent, sur la base des traités existants, par le renforcement duvote à la majorité qualifiée. Notamment pour les questions budgétaires ou de politique étrangère les deux sujets majeurs actuellement.
La majorité qualifiée est atteinte si elle regroupe au moins 55 % des États membres représentant au moins 65 % de la population de l'Union européenne.
Le vote à l’unanimité devrait être uniquement réservé aux questions unionistes fondamentales comme l’adhésion d’un nouveau membre par exemple.
Feltétlenül támogatom azt a véleményt, hogy a vétó intézményét el kell törölni. Egyes tagállamok már rendszeres gyakorlatot alakítottak ki arra, hogy az EUB javaslatait - sokszor teljesen érdektelen indokkal-, megvétózzák, ezzel aláássák a közösség véleményét, akaratát. Gondolom, mindenki tudja, hogy mely tagállamokra célzok, akik abban érdekeltek, hogy minél jobban megbontsák az EU erejét és összhangját.
A minősített szótöbbség gyakorlata megfelelő a többség akaratának érvényesítéséhez.
Nope. Veto.
Ich bin ebenfalls für die demokratische Mehrheitswahl (nein zum Veto). Wobei es hier noch ein grundsätzliches Problem zu beachten gilt. Der hier beschriebene Vorgang betrifft den EU-Rat (Länderchefs) und Rat der EU (Länder Minister) und nicht das EU Parlament. Mein Vorschlag hierzu: EU-Rat und Rat der EU zur "Länderkammer" zusammenfassen (mit einer für jedes Land festgelegten Anzahl an Sitzen). Und die Entscheidungen zuerst im Parlament zu diskutieren, zu entscheiden, und danach in die "Länderkammer" zur Ratifizierung zu geben.
Considering democracy only as about "50% + 1 must decide whatever" regardless of the minority, is superficial and reckless, European Union includes different countries with different realities and needs that are not always symmetrical and overlapping; the veto is needed for issues that can have a strong impact on countries, otherwise an emerging majority dictatorship can force countries with different needs to be in an unfair position towards the EU, jeopardizing the entire equity of the EU that will end inevitably to create unmanageable fractures.
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