Evropská demokracie
#TheFutureIsYours Posilování evropské demokracie
Let us make the EU a fully-fledged democracy.
In a classic three powers of democracy (legislation, executive and judicial) there is no place for an institution like the European Council.
All legislative power should go to parliament - the executive power should only go to the Commission.
The European Council is still too much misused by the larger member states of Germany and France to push through their agenda.
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Nowadays the voice of EU in foreign policy and security is weak, because any EU-MS can veto any decision in the EU Council. We have seen this many times when the EU-MS have tried to find a common stance on foreign policy issues but one has been able to deter the will of all the other countries. This is not a democratic way.
The EU Council should be only an advisory group to EU Parliament, and the decisions should be made in the EU Parliament with a majority vote principle, because they are directly responsible to the citizens of EU through a truly European election.
Yo no creo que haya que eliminar el Consejo Europeo ó Consejo de Jefes de estado ó de gobierno de la UE porque en mi opinión, es equivalente a un senado. Si apoyo que se elimine la toma de decisiones por unanimidad y en su lugar, sean vinculantes las decisiones que sean apoyadas por una doble mayoría (mayoría de estados y mayoría de población). Incluso, creo es mejor salgan de la UE aquellos estados que no estén de acuerdo con eliminar el requisito de unanimidad. La unanimidad no es sinónimo de democracia sino de dictadura y debilita muchísimo a la UE con respecto a terceros países que ven como a través de un sólo estado, aunque sea el más pequeño de la UE, son capaces de bloquear a toda la UE en los temas para los que aun se requiere unanimidad.
Non sono d'accordo perché sono più che sufficienti i rappresentanti nazionali a tutti i livelli Ue. Per questo motivo il Consiglio Europeo va eliminato perché è un doppione dell'espressione della volontà nazionale. Se un Governo nazionale intende diramare le proprie idee lo deve fare attraverso i nostri rappresentanti in Parlamento Ue o della Commissione.
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To exclude the European Council simply because it does not perfectly fit Montesquieu's vision (of centuries ago) seems a weak argument to me. Many countries, especially federal countries (to which the EU comes closest in many aspects) do not have a clear separation of powers but rather a system of checks and balances. Such a system is present in EU law.
Moreover, I disagree that a national veto is undemocratic. Such a veto is exercised by a government which is elected at national level.
Lastly, your example hails from foreign policy for which the EU has only a limited competence - this is the problem, not which EU institution is acting. So, what you are actually advocating for is a stronger EU competence for foreign and security policy with majority voting. This is a position I would support. But it has little to do with the European Council.
Thank you for your response, I appreciate.
Please let me elaborate what I mean by the undemocratic principle of the veto possibility in the EU Council.
The national governments represent their countries in the EU Council, and they are more or less democratically elected in every EU-Member State (there are differences, but I won't go into that right now). That is democratic. But there are around 450 Million citizens in EU. When the EU Council gathers on high level to decide on any foreign policy issue, such as sanctions or diplomatic notes to countries that oppress their citizens human rights, any country can veto the decisions. We have seen several cases where 27 MS would vote YES and one would vote NO.
That means that democratically elected representatives of their citizens representing for example 445 Million citizens vote YES and one representative of 5 Million citizens votes NO. The END RESULT is not according to a democratic principle, even if it is that de jure.
@ Lea, U hebt volkomen gelijk. Het geschetste idee van de drie machten in ‘Brussel’ gaat uit van een zelfstandige entiteit en gaat voorbij aan het bestaan van zelfstandige lidstaten. De Commissie en het Europees Parlement bestaan bij de gratie van de zelfstandige lidstaten en hun burgers.
I agree with your proposal.
If people would like to continue having the European Council, I would only consider having it in the terms of the European Committee of the Regions (as an advisory body).
The European Council is the top table of the national leaders of the member countries.
Its head is Charles Michel. The European Council meets at least four times a year. It does not have legislative functions.
The top table is like a board of directors. It seems okay to me.
Does the poster mean the Council of the European Union? That's the key decision making legislative House where the national government ministers and diplomats meet.
It seems okay for a group of governments to get together. If you want more democratic oversight then that is what national parliaments and the European Parliament is for.
The European Parliament is there because the citizens have their concerns about what their governments are doing.
The European Parliament now has equal power with the Council of the EU in most but not all areas of legislation that are covered by the European Union.
Absolutely not! The European Union is not a country.
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I think, the Council of the European Union has an important role to play in a check and balance system, but it should be less dominant & no longer able to push through shortsighted national interests against the general European values & necessities. Parliament should have more legislative powers & be elected on a common European basis instead of the national framework, we have right now. The commission should act as a fully acknowledged European government behalf of all citizens, but leave really national tasks to the national governments.
Certainly, but if it were transformed into something akin to the US-Senate, it would still hold power but be less dominant.
I think the Council of the EU, with representatives from all EU-Member States governments is selected with democratic principles in Member States, but its decisions are not always according to the will of the European citizens.
Please let me elaborate.
The key thing here is to understand that there may be a democratic PROCESS de jure, but not a democratic END RESULT de facto.
For example when China violated human rights, all but one EU-MS wanted to issue a statement to condemn the activities of China. The government of Greece vetoed the decision, and prevented all other member states to issue a joint-EU-statement. Greece had financial and trade agreements with China, and they did not want to endanger them.
This is a classic example of Max Weber's iron cage of bureaucracy, where all the processes are flawless but the end result is flawed.
And this has happened many more times with other countries vetoing, but there's no space to elaborate those cases.
Yo tambien estoy de acuerdo en abolir el Consejo de la Unión Europea porque Europa necesita los
Estados Unidos de Europa con una Constitucion Federal
En la Federacion FAEF acaba de empezar la Convencion ciudadana que debatira y ratificara la constitucion Federal hasta finales de mayo 2022.
Aqui en este enlace se puede ver la apertura de la Convencion :
https://www.faef.eu/en_gb/citizens-convention-progress-report-3/
Ademas tenemos programado una Videoconferencia todos los domingos a las 13.00 horas para intercambiar opiniones sobre como hacer llegar las ideas e inquietudes de los ciudadanos.
Ver en este enlace mas informacion:
https://futureu.europa.eu/processes/Democracy/f/5/meetings/40690
J.Giner
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Sono d'accordo con la tua proposta però i pilastri del potere europeo saranno tre: Rappresentativo (Il presidente) l'Esecutivo (Primo ministro) e Legislativo (il parlamento). Questo è lo schema del potere italiano. Non a caso la nostra Carta Costituzionale è stata da sempre considerata la migliore del mondo. E scusate se è poco!
Bestaat er in Italië geen rechterlijke macht ?
No, por favor! No queremos un Parlamento Europeo más fuerte. Todo lo que hemos visto de parte del Parlamento es sumamente negativo. La actitud del Parlamento es bochornosa. No a quitar competencias del COnsejo Europeo y no a ampliar poderes del Parlamento.
It would be a better idea to abolish the European Parliament. It has become an ideological Kabuki Theatre. The Commission should be entirely under the control of the sovereign member states, of course, who remain the masters of the treaties.
This is the Federal Constitution that came into being after an intensive citizens' convention between October 2021 and March 2022
https://www.faef.eu/en_gb/federal-constitution/
The full version including the explanatory memorandum can be found here
https://www.faef.eu/wp-content/uploads/Final-Constitution.pdf
Board of the Federalist Alliance of European Federalists (FAEF),
Leo Klinkers, President
Mauro Casarotto, Secretary General
Peter Hovens, Treasurer
Martina Scaccabarozzi, Executive Member Communications
Javier Giner, Executive Member Politics
The Hague, April 2022
https://www.faef.eu/
We also have an online conference on the Constitution every week. See day and time in the following link:
https://futureu.europa.eu/processes/EUInTheWorld/f/17/meetings/70655
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